But as soon as the trouble over, watch them take another nap

[sovay]

If I were the kind of person who made macros, I would be making one right now with a shot of Ernie Hudson on top of the Shandor Building shouting, "CNN, when someone asks you if Jews are people, you say yes!"

Comments

[davidgillon]

Damn straight!

[sovay]

Damn straight!

I also refuse to cede the wearing of corduroys and cable-knits to the neo-Nazi "heritage look." That is literally letting the terrorists win.

[edit] derspatchel says I should add that my actual, out-loud response to the paragraph was, "Fuck you, I look better in corduroy than Nigel Farage."

[phi]

"“There’s ‘fascie’. That’s like a portmanteau of the word fascist but used to describe a look – like a really dark suit.'"

Are you fucking kidding me?

[sovay]

Are you fucking kidding me?

I mean, they also don't know what "portmanteau" means.

[davidgillon]

Farage in corduroy always disturbs me. It's a look, for a certain kind of public schoolboy who thinks they're a pillar of the establishment, that says "I want to drag the country kicking and screaming into the 1950s".

[sovay]

It's a look, for a certain kind of public schoolboy who thinks they're a pillar of the establishment, that says "I want to drag the country kicking and screaming into the 1950s".

Oh, well, he definitely shouldn't partner with Trump, then. They would be temporally incompatible. This past week has been all '30's flashbacks as far as I can see.

[heavenscalyx]

[sovay]

You're wonderful.

[kore]

OMG you rule.

[choco_frosh]

+!
Also, is there a way to share these--separately from the rest of the post?

[sovay]

Also, is there a way to share these--separately from the rest of the post?

I should think so—just grab the images and upload or download as you please. Just don't forget to credit heavenscalyx for them!

[kore]

Between that and Rachel Maddow telling me last night newspeople were arguing "But did the people at the neo-Nazi fascist racist rally say 'Hail' or 'Heil' Trump?" (which she obliterated by showing a phone recording from the audience of PEOPLE DOING THE NAZI SALUTE).....idk, humanity. I just woke up and I want to go back to bed. WTF even is all this bullshit.

[sovay]

Between that and Rachel Maddow telling me last night newspeople were arguing "But did the people at the neo-Nazi fascist racist rally say 'Hail' or 'Heil' Trump?" (which she obliterated by showing a phone recording from the audience of PEOPLE DOING THE NAZI SALUTE)

I understand that there is a qualitative difference between "Hail" and "Heil." (You say one to Caesars and the other to Führers.) I also agree that at the point where people are throwing Hitler salutes and crowd-shouting technical Nazi jargon, the vowel doesn't matter so much as the hate.

WTF even is all this bullshit.

I think I liked best the Facebook comment which read "What the actual fuck is going on anymore?" although I was also fond of "What timeline is this, even?"

[kore]

This might sound way too cynical/paranoid, but from what I could see, the "Hail!" and the way the guy raised his water glass to toast the room were basically meant as "Heil" and a salute, except he either knew he was being recorded or it was their recording they gave to the press. The hidden phone camera footage was really different. I don't think they were expecting non-sanctioned footage to get out. (Like the way the same rally....I think it was the same?....the hotel staff didn't know who they were, and were HORRIFIED when they found out and donated the profits to somewhere like the SPLC.) Same way they like saying "alt-right" because they don't get that knee-jerk "Nazi WTF" reaction.

(God, I feel kind of ill even just talking about this. What the shit, 2016, THERE HAS TO BE A BOTTOM.)

I think we are well out of the timeline where someone stepped on a butterfly and into the one where someone went after the dinosaurs with an Uzi.

[sovay]

The hidden phone camera footage was really different. I don't think they were expecting non-sanctioned footage to get out.

I'm glad it did. Talk to me about this? I didn't realize the primary footage was from leaks, not formal press coverage.

(Like the way the same rally....I think it was the same?....the hotel staff didn't know who they were, and were HORRIFIED when they found out and donated the profits to somewhere like the SPLC.)

It was the same group. The restaurant was Maggiano's, who are donating all profits from that night to the ADL.

Same way they like saying "alt-right" because they don't get that knee-jerk "Nazi WTF" reaction.

I am very morbidly amused by the white nationalist who wants the alt-righters to "knock it off" with the explicit Nazi callbacks because people notice that sort of thing and will therefore make an effort to stop them, whereas if they stick to dogwhistles and plausible deniability, they'll be able to get away with pretending they're just the newest wing of the Republican Party and then they can really get some white supremacy in high places. Considered in that sense, man, heil away.

I think we are well out of the timeline where someone stepped on a butterfly and into the one where someone went after the dinosaurs with an Uzi.

*sad +1*

[kore]

Aww the ADL! Even better.

This is the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkpJumIdzDg I don't know exactly if the salutes were only on the phone cam footage, but Maddow really points out the differences. She says "Late this afternoon we got tape of that event from a different angle....this better camera angle," which shows the audience in a wide shot.

Or waitaminnit, it looks like that exact clip is from an upcoming Atlantic documentary http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

So I'm guessing that's not a phone cam, but it still looks under-coverish -- just the way the focus goes in and out and people walking in front of the camera, but I could be wrong.

(SONYA, THIS GUY SAYS "LUGENPRESSE" LIKE IT'S A JOKE AND GETS A LITTLE CHUCKLE FROM THE ROOM. Supporters were apparently yelling it AT HIS RALLIES! One and two years ago! wtfffffffff)

[kore]

(sorry, that moment honestly just flattened me, yikes)

[sovay]

(sorry, that moment honestly just flattened me, yikes)

What are you apologizing for? It's horrible.

*hugs*

[kore]

Aww, thanks. //hugsback

Yeah, I was all "children of the sun oh whatever you fascist moron" and heard that word and had this instantaneous *ice bath* wait that sounds horribly familiar reaction. I didn't even know I knew it (might've been from Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? I don't remember).

[sovay]

"children of the sun oh whatever you fascist moron"

He is at least consistent in his principles; in addition to the junk science, he appears to be maintaining the Nazi tradition of completely junk academia:

"He envisions a future for the United States along the lines of 'a renewed Roman Empire,' a dictatorship where the main criteria for citizenship would be whiteness."

There speaks someone who knows nothing about Roman citizenship.

I didn't even know I knew it (might've been from Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? I don't remember).

I don't know anymore where I got a lot of the information that I have about the Nazis. I never formally studied them, but I read a lot. I knew the word.

[kore]

I don't know anymore where I got a lot of the information that I have about the Nazis. I never formally studied them, but I read a lot. I knew the word.

Yeah, ditto. It was....super unsettling.

[dhampyresa]

There speaks someone who knows nothing about Roman citizenship.

I was going to say! I don't often feel often on behalf of the Roman Empire, but today I do.

[dhampyresa]

WHAT

[sovay]

WHAT

I really can't argue with that response.

(What is your icon from? It is apropos.)

[kore]

"Next up on CNN: Are we all turning into rhinoceroses? Stay tuned...." (Chyron: "MY SKIN ISN'T GREEN," TRUMP CLAIMS, REFUSES TO GIVE UP BRONZER)

[dhampyresa]

My icon is from Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man v3 014 (first page, even). Fuck Ults!Cap.

[teenybuffalo.livejournal.com]

Christ on a crutch. CNN is acting like that's a question where there can be debate, and the press is acting like "alt-right" doesn't mean "white supremacist" and I just came from hugging my friend G. and furiously promising her that I'd fight for her life and human rights against anyone and anything. I'm furious. She should not have had to see her person-hood being doubted on national TV, neither should you, neither should anyone else. I mean, know your enemy, so...blatantly evil people are easier to spot coming, but they should never have come this far. It's fucking appalling that this is being normalized.

[sovay]

I mean, know your enemy, so...blatantly evil people are easier to spot coming, but they should never have come this far.

Amen.

It's fucking appalling that this is being normalized.

I was saying to derspatchel last night that it interests me in a non-academic way that so many people in this country apparently want to be Nazis. I don't mean I am surprised at the depth or the virulence of their anti-Semitism, racism, and so forth, although I am furious with Donald Trump for giving it a platform and the media for giving it legitimacy; I mean I am actually a little surprised that it's taken the form of Hitler salutes and Goebbels buzzwords. The resurgence of the KKK and the multiplying Confederate flags do not puzzle me; that's race hatred as a homegrown American institution. The use of the swastika to threaten and scare, that's also not new, like the white power skinheads subculture. The aggressive mainstreaming of this flavor of neo-Nazism is part of what feels different to me, obviously, but also the fact that it's so Nazi and barely neo. Yet another reason I agree we should not allow them to rebrand themselves.

[heliopausa.livejournal.com]

That's horrific.

[sovay]

That's horrific.

Yes. I am hoping for backlash.

[nineweaving.livejournal.com]

Horrific.

Nine

[sovay]

Horrific.

And their neo-Nazi-in-chief doesn't know jack about golems, either.

[yamamanama.livejournal.com]

Alt-right is Nazism with memes.

[sovay]

Alt-right is Nazism with memes.

I had just been calling them neo-Nazis, but "with memes" is a nice differentiation.

[ethelmay.livejournal.com]

I just saw something that said "They're 'alt-right' the way Jeffrey Dahmer is an 'alt-chef.' "

[sovay]

I just saw something that said "They're 'alt-right' the way Jeffrey Dahmer is an 'alt-chef.' "

Thank you for passing that along.

[asakiyume.livejournal.com]

Exactly, exactly right.

[larryhammer]

The normalization of the act of othering has begun.

[sovay]

The normalization of the act of othering has begun.

The media doesn't need to help it along!

[larryhammer]

Exactly -- that the media is doing it show how normalized it's already become.

[sovay]

Exactly -- that the media is doing it show how normalized it's already become.

I'm not arguing. But it's not just a sign: it also has an effect. Trump as he emerged as a presidential candidate was both an expression of white supremacy and an incitement to it. It is irresponsible on the part of the press to accelerate the process.

[larryhammer]

Um, we're agreeing here. Total agreement, as far as I can tell.

My initial comment possibly should have been enclosed in <gloom> tags.

[sovay]

Um, we're agreeing here. Total agreement, as far as I can tell.

Yeah. I don't think we're fighting, either. You are not the person I would yell at in this situation. That's the neo-Nazis and CNN.

My initial comment possibly should have been enclosed in tags.

*hugs*

[larryhammer]

*hugs* to you too.

[asakiyume.livejournal.com]

Just incredible.