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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2018-03-18 10:18 pm

I don't recognize those old buildings that used to mean so much to me

Bertie Owen's keyboard is really breaking and I didn't fall asleep until well after eight this morning. I did not get much done today that was not work, but I did have post-holiday corned beef and soda bread with my parents in the evening. I did not have cabbage. I like cabbage in coleslaw and several other dishes—and I will eat it by itself if it's stir-fried—but when it's steamed or boiled I feel there is no safe ground between the raw food movement and sublimated into a fart.

1. In context of discussing the longstanding (and totally deserved) community argument with Michael Weingrad's "Why There Is No Jewish Narnia," my mother remarked that of course portal fantasy has Christian origins; Christianity has its other world into which you can be assumed or translated at any second right there in its conception of Heaven. On the one hand, C.S. Lewis himself presumed this link in his wraparound of Narnia into Aslan's Country. (Elizabeth Goudge made a similar connection in The Valley of Song (1951), though hers works much better for me on account of avoiding allegory and including Fairy.) On the other, I can't remember seeing anyone really write about it. Please point me toward articles to the contrary, if they exist? Otherwise I can tell my mother she just said something tremendously useful about twentieth-century fantasy.

2. Please enjoy a non-binary penned punk song about Claude Cahun: Worriers, "The Only Claude That Matters." [personal profile] rydra_wong, I thought you should know.

3. Everyone in general, I'm just really charmed by Madeline McGrane's "Vampire Horse."

4. Courtesy of [personal profile] moon_custafer: Brad Dourif in Fatal Beauty (1987). I will resist all efforts to explain to me that he is not playing the title role.

5. And then I made the mistake of clicking on an article about millennial millionnaire-billionaires:

I steer the conversation to the subject of how utterly detached from the real world elites seem to have become. "Elitism, the way I would define it, is obtainable," he replies. "All that stands between you and being elite is your own investment in yourself."

I tell Rosenthal that I've met many people in America who work as hard as him and his friends—harder, in fact—but struggle to make ends meet. He acknowledges that he's benefited from considerable advantage, but insists we now live in an era in which "the internet is the great equaliser".

"What are you doing to create the utility for yourself? Are you introducing people so they can collaborate?" he says. Struggling Americans, he adds, might want to "host a dinner. Invite 10 strangers. See what happens."

Rosenthal presses on with his thesis, telling me there are just not enough people in the world who will "excessively commit their lives to something. Journalism, cheese, automobiles, whatever. Rocket ships—perfect example. Everyone wants to work at SpaceX, no one wants to go to engineering school."


I believe the emotion I experienced at that moment is technically known as "eat the rich."

I am trying to convince myself to go to bed early; I have two doctor's appointments tomorrow and one of them is at eyebleed o'clock. This would be a more compelling argument if I didn't also want to read things.
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2018-03-19 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not aware of there being a French or a Russian or a Chinese or a Nigerian tradition

I’d argue that there are fantasy traditions in numerous cultures – but I think what gets translated into English, depending on who decides to translate and publish it, often gets categorized as “magical realism” (Okri’s The Famished Road, frex).
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[personal profile] poliphilo 2018-03-19 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point. If it's not in the British tradition it gets called something else.

There is certainly a tradition of Jewish fantasy- but its roots are different. Why would a Jewish writer draw on the Arthurian mythos when the Cabala is to hand?
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2018-03-19 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I also don’t know whether fantasy/sf get more respect in other literary traditions (if heard that in Russia they do), but if so, then you could have a vicious circle where something is considered a classic in its country of origin, so if anyone’s going to translate it into English, it’s a Serious Publisher of Real Literary Books, and therefore it can’t possibly be Fantasy or SF, it must be Magic Realism.
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[personal profile] poliphilo 2018-03-19 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
It must give the gatekeepers a headache when a novelist switches genres. I'm thinking in particular of Kazio Ishiguro who began by writing straight, literary novels (The Remains of the Day, An Artist of the Floating World) but has since veered all over the place. His last book, The Sleeping Giant, was set in an Arthurian fantasyland- with Trolls and dragons and questing knights while the one before that, Never Let Me Go, was dystopian SF.
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[personal profile] kore 2018-03-19 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahhaa, "did you mean: One Hundred Years of Solitude"
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2018-03-19 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Then there’s Lem, who’s usually classed as SF, but I’d say The Cyberiad is really more “fairy tales, except everyone is a robot.” There are even princesses in some of the stories.
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[personal profile] kore 2018-03-19 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
....if they're robot princesses I am suddenly intrigued.
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[personal profile] kore 2018-03-20 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
OHO.
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[personal profile] isis 2018-03-19 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, ooh, ow. It really seems to be a case of narrow definitions. If you consider only stories based on Christian mythos to be fantasy, then clearly there can be no Jewish fantasy!
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[personal profile] kore 2018-03-19 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
That is exactly what I thought. "Let us consider the realm of fantastic literature, which I define exclusively as having started in Victorian England." Well shit then even Lewis doesn't qualify, since the Narnia books are post-WWII and you could argue have elements of postmodernism even (living archetypes, characters being aware they're in a story or expecting the plot they're in to follow story conventions, the surreal elements of the Last Battle, blah, blahblah). Not even Phantastes fits his dumb criteria, and it's probably the exact kind of book he's trying to reference.
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[personal profile] kore 2018-03-20 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
George MacDonald's Phantastes, thought by some to be the first fantasy novel ever written

//drags hands down face

Man I fucking hate that weaselley academese "thought by some." YOU THINK IT, BRO, OWN UP TO IT