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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2006-05-04 02:37 am

And on those bloody beaches, the first of them fell

I saw the first half of Gallipoli tonight. I had office hours; I had to leave after the ball at Cairo. All bets are off until I see the rest. But I was thinking as I walked out that up to this point the film had been much less a traditional war movie than a picaresque adventure, and how that was not inappropriate. Because young men did join up for the greatest game of them all as though it were a race-meet or another chance to impress the girls, and larked around foreign places and lied about their ages and played at war-drills and hit the beaches and died. And that was all.

I will have to reserve judgment until I've seen the rest of the film, I know. It could still tank in the second half. But in some sense, it doesn't matter. You know how it will end when the title comes up. And how, in that hell that they called Suvla Bay, we were butchered like lambs at the slaughter. No one can outrun bullets. But they don't know that, those laughing boys. Even the cynical, practical ones, they don't know how bad it will be. And we who have history on our side, who know what Oedipus is going to find out in the last act, and what will happen when Agamemnon comes home, all we can do is watch. It's a trope; it's a storyteller's trick. Even so.

I hope no one still signs up for the military that way—believing the newspapers, thinking dulce et decorum est. I'm not that much of an optimist.

[identity profile] fleurdelis28.livejournal.com 2006-05-04 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope no one still signs up for the military that way—believing the newspapers, thinking dulce et decorum est. I'm not that much of an optimist.

I had a professor who said once that he believed that the two biggest factors in history are fatigue and boredom. He may have been talking about WWI at the time, and if he wasn't, he could have been. I think the biggest factor in situations like that is less that the papers are full of hype (which they are) than that the society has been at relative peace for long enough to have lost the collective first-hand awareness that in fact war really sucks. (I'm always reminded of Kappelle's statement that the Romans always liked the idea of conquering Parthia, as long as the present generation of Romans hadn't actually tried it.) I have no idea whether anyone signs up for the military in that way today, but I do know that at some point in the future, they will again.

And of course, on the other end, sometimes the war never really happened and it was just a fun romp abroad annoying the natives, with occasional spurts of danger to impress your grandkids with, and cavalry charges for the heck of it. There were plenty of ways in which it could be unfun and/or lethal to be a British soldier in the second half of the nineteenth century, but the overall picture was very different from "and now you'll all sit in muddy trenches for four years and most of your generation will die." So it makes some sense that the nastiness of the whole thing sort of caught everybody by surprise on all sides.

[identity profile] chriscrick.livejournal.com 2006-05-04 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
We have to watch "All Quiet on the Western Front" soon. Your line echoes Paul Baumer's, when he's invited to speak in front of his old high school class when he's home on leave. He tries to demur, but the boys are awestruck at the conquering hero and insist. So: "We live in the trenches out there. We fight. We try not to get killed, but sometimes we are. And that's all."

Were I yet a teacher...

[identity profile] watermelonpoet.livejournal.com 2006-05-04 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I would make that book mandatory; I would show the film in class.
Every year.

I might also assign Johnny got His Gun, though I didn't much care for the film version.

I might change it up a little and show Das Boot, once in a while; especially to the classes I didn't like.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2006-05-04 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Das Boot was a good film. It was also the best cure ever for a good mood. I recommend it highly to people I do like and even more highly to people I don't.

[identity profile] scanner-darkly.livejournal.com 2006-05-04 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It's awesome. It's right up there with the remake of Thin Red Line in the harrowing-war-movie department. And it does get better.

[identity profile] hans-the-bold.livejournal.com 2006-05-04 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I wasn't impressed with Gallipoli. They spent a lot of time showing these five young men, but we never really got into the heads of any of them. They were just a bunch of guys, and often not very likable guys at that. They joined the army, went to war, and most of them got killed. We never saw the effects of war on the survivors, or really for that matter on any of them; the movie spent so little time sat the front that I never had a sense that the war was real (in sharp contrast to All's Quiet on the Western Front, where the horror of trench warfare is captured so vivdly it will give you nightmares).

It wasn't a meteor movie, but it wasn't a compelling movie either. It had no real story that I could see, but was instead more like a really long preview.

[identity profile] hans-the-bold.livejournal.com 2006-05-04 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I think if they had taken the first three quarters of the movie and made the characters complete human beings, it might have worked. But I never felt that any of the characters were real. To a certain extent they seemed like cliches: the reluctant one, the stupid one, the religious one, etc. With an hour and a half of screen time, they could have made them seem more like real people, which would have given their deaths real impact. As it was, I just couldn't quite bring myself to care about them.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2006-05-08 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I was scrolling through this quickly and read "and on those bloody peaches" ... which becomes rather interesting...