Thinking of ways I could lie to you and not lose you

[sovay]

I understand from both context and the body of the e-mail that the eye-catching subject header "The story Oppenheimer won't tell you" is referring to the film and specifically to its elision of the existence of the Downwinders—whose concerns, long before they were designated by name, were flagged well within the timeline of the movie and whose survivors and still-affected descendants are in current danger of losing their compensation for nothing more than the government of cruelty which has become the point of the Republican Party—but because no quotation marks are placed around the name, it really does sound like the non-profit which sent the e-mail has just run out of patience for Oppie's caginess, which did also happen to people in history.

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[kore]

I had just wanted it to be a good movie, and instead it seems to have come out a critically acclaimed movie that I do not know if I can ever spend time around without screaming historical facts like some sort of possessed textbook

YES, that and I would also do my Feminist Bitch From Hell thing about not just his wife and his mistress but there were also actual women there! Administrative jobs, sure, but also physicists, analysts, mathematicians! Boy you wouldn't really know it from ANY history of LANL, though, including this one. (Yeah, it's fiction but it's going to be treated as pop history, I've already heard a lot of Discourse on OMG how could those scientists have gone ahead when they could have destroyed the planet! THEY WOULDN'T HAVE. I really have a great big scientific grudge against him for that one.)

....oh that article. Why do they torture poor actors that way. It was bad enough with the MCU.

The director recently told Wired magazine that some of those who’d seen it were left “absolutely devastated … they can’t speak”. Which sounds like a bad thing, but is related perhaps to the thought of the 214,000 Japanese people, overwhelmingly civilians, who lost their lives when the bombs were dropped.

WELP NOT REALLY

(The whole "maybe we did destroy the world" weepie ending ALSO really annoys me but this is getting far off the track)

The real question for Murphy was what combination – ambition, madness, delusion, deep hatred of the Nazi regime? – allowed this theoretical physicist to agree to an experiment he knew could obliterate humankind.

....well noooooooooo but anyway

I remember one scientist saying, ‘I don’t believe in love. It’s a biological phenomenon, the exchange of hormones between the female and the male. That’s all. Love is a nonsense.’”

OMFG, Cillian, love, you were talking to a wanker. A lonely, horny, literal wanker.

[sovay]

not just his wife and his mistress but there were also actual women there! Administrative jobs, sure, but also physicists, analysts, mathematicians! Boy you wouldn't really know it from ANY history of LANL, though, including this one.

Peter Bacon Hales' Atomic Spaces: Living on the Manhattan Project (1999) and Ruth H. Howes and Caroline L. Herzenberg's Their Day in the Sun: Women of the Manhattan Project (1999), while obviously not recent, are very much worth their time on this front. Voices of the Manhattan Project is also invaluable. I had a serious exchange once with a friend in this journal about the TV series Manhattan (2014–15), which I have never been able to watch because its sole historical character is Oppenheimer and everyone else is invented right down to espionage that never happened: they interpreted its invention of central marginalized characters as a deliberate corrective to the white, straight, male, historical reality and I had to explain that Chien-Shiung Wu and Moddie Taylor and Lise Meitner are the tip of a quite historical iceberg who all deserve their own biopics. I hate that Oppenheimer has come along and slammed all the popular imagination of Los Alamos back into the mold of the 1950's, especially when the 1950's were every now and then more nuanced about their atomic freakouts.

(Yeah, it's fiction but it's going to be treated as pop history,

Didn't we suffer enough with Oliver Stone's JFK (1991)?

I've already heard a lot of Discourse on OMG how could those scientists have gone ahead when they could have destroyed the planet! THEY WOULDN'T HAVE. I really have a great big scientific grudge against him for that one.)

spatch had to listen to me all the time Oppenheimer was playing the Somerville. "No one worried about setting the atmosphere on fire! Everyone had done the math! The morning of the Trinity test, what everyone was chewing their nails over was the fear that it wouldn't work! $74 million and the reputation of the internationally American physics community down the drain!" Nolan's treatment of the poisoned apple incident at Cambridge also provokes high blood pressure.

(The whole "maybe we did destroy the world" weepie ending ALSO really annoys me but this is getting far off the track)

I am curious about the reasons, if it doesn't stress you to articulate them. From the outside it sounded precious.

OMFG, Cillian, love, you were talking to a wanker. A lonely, horny, literal wanker.

+1.