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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2020-12-29 11:49 pm

I had an aunt who loved a plant, but you're my cup of tea

I was made aware earlier this evening that the current administration issued a proclamation on the 850th anniversary of the murder of Thomas Becket celebrating his martyrdom in the cause of religious liberty with all the anti-abortion bullhorns and Christian hegemony to be expected from this dominionist crowd.

I prefer to remember that in high school I watched Becket (1964) with the friend who made my brain turn to lemon pudding with just the smell of her hair and that spring we lay freezing beside one another in a hastily pitched pup tent on the track field because the temperature had plunged below zero during a twenty-four-hour charity relay and despite what years later transpired to have been an extremely mutual interest we still didn't end up making out because neither of us had the gaydar God gave a rock to turn over in the dark and say, I'm cold, Thomas. I can still hear it in her voice. We'd quoted it all winter. A rock.

We wrote our first animal song about fifteen years ago, I suppose. We've written a great many more in the interim, which we find a very good place to work. We have recently embodied all these songs about animals in a new LP called The Bestiary of Flanders and Swann for Parlophone—BMC1164, actually. Very easy number to remember if you think of it as a date, 1164 being of course the date of the Constitutions of Clarendon at the time of Thomas à Becket, marking a very important stage in the quarrel between Anouilh and Christopher Fry.
—Michael Flanders and Donald Swann at the Haymarket Theatre, 18 October 1963
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[personal profile] skygiants 2020-12-30 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I would really love to know more about the centuries-spanning quarrel between Anouilh and Fry.
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[personal profile] selenak 2020-12-30 09:24 am (UTC)(link)
I liked this reminder of Thomas Becket's anniversary much better:

Let us remember Thomas Becket on his feast day at his best: smoking a cigarette and chatting with Elisabeth Taylor. pic.twitter.com/0IbPwdm1Ze

— Mateusz Fafinski (@Calthalas) December 29, 2020
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2020-12-30 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
Are people still using that well known transcription error, à Becket?

I still occasionally see Anthony à Wood too.

Both long dropped by academic historians.

I've been re reading Eliot's 'Murder in the Cathedral'.
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-12-30 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Last I saw it was in 1994-5 in Catholic high school theology, a course I was basically auditing on account of Judaism and also on account of if I opened my mouth about Augustine or Aquinas I was gonna say things.
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2020-12-30 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
They make me say things, but then, I'm a Quaker. :o)
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-12-30 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Speak your mind, Friend!
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[personal profile] flemmings 2020-12-30 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
So it's a transcription error? I couldn't find anything about it by googling. If you have time, could you explain how it works?
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2020-12-30 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems to be a post Reformation misunderstanding of how his name worked.

For example Thomas à Kempis is a translation into law French of Thomas van Kempen and is correct as far as it goes as that is where he came from, but the assumption that Becket is a place name is incorrect.

None of which explains Anthony à Wood! :o)

Edited 2020-12-30 18:56 (UTC)
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[personal profile] flemmings 2020-12-31 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
I see, thank you. Law French then. Wikipedia tells me, but how correctly I can't say, that Becket means something like hook-nosed, which no, is not a place name.
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-12-30 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I wanted to reach through the screen and thwap you both, and then hug you.

It’s a very pretty rock, though. Complex. *brushes leaves off it for you*
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-12-30 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't how it's possible to be that obvious and that oblivious at the same time.

Were you... possibly... co-protags in a movie? Did you check?

*hugs*
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-12-30 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
a very important stage in the quarrel between Anouilh and Christopher Fry

LOL. I was raised on Flanders & Swann, but somehow was never exposed to this classic Flanderism.

we still didn't end up making out because neither of us had the gaydar God gave a rock

Oh dear. That makes me want to reach back in time and give wee!sovay a warm cup of tea and a gentle, loving thwap! on the shoulder.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-12-30 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think that album's in my parents' collected F&S, which means it's probably the "complete" that came out before Hat Trick. I think I smell a potential holiday present.

that relationship was the one that taught me never to agree to go out with a person for whom you feel no sexual interest just because you're friends and they've asked you

I managed to get that lesson by osmosis instead of direct experience, by watching Janni (before we started dating) go through it. This was the same boyfriend who taught me that deliberately staged snits do not make the intended audience feel sympathy, but sad laughter.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-12-31 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
That's my current reaction to pretty much all of my high school experience, and two-thirds of college. (The cutoff there being I started dating my best friend. It worked out.)
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[personal profile] ashlyme 2020-12-30 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
*debates getting their TARDIS, and leaving notes saying "she likes you too"* Just ignore the sudden memory of a narrowboat on the track field. It wasn't there for long. I'm just glad you found out it was mutual later on. *pops back and leaves greatcoats and duvets*

Edited 2020-12-30 17:42 (UTC)
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-12-30 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I know! I know! It breaks my heart. I've been stuck on it all day. I'm extremely sentimental and 1/3 treacle by weight.
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[personal profile] ashlyme 2020-12-30 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
*hugs* Right. Make some space. Best not a narrowboat... just enough for an old red phone box. *wheezing, groaning sounds*

(Nowt wrong with treacle, either.)
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[personal profile] ashlyme 2020-12-31 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
*hugs* Noted for my next visit.
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[personal profile] coraline 2020-12-30 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
that paragraph about your high school friend is SO EVOCATIVE.

a rock. weren't we all at some level rocks. eesh.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-12-30 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I like to hope that for myself, as well. I'm not entirely sure I have.
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[personal profile] sillylilly_bird 2020-12-30 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I grew up with F&S - I still have Mom's vinyl:)

She also had the Mozart concerto on vinyl that was riffed on in Ill Wind.
Edited 2020-12-30 21:10 (UTC)
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2020-12-30 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
How presumptuous of the administration. Who the hell, in any corner of the world, wants to hear what a US administration has to say about a saint from ages past? Don't try and put your sticky fingers on this, Trump administration!
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[personal profile] viggorlijah 2020-12-31 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
the teenage romance wistfulness made me stop and go aww, thinking of my own lying next to someone unable to say anything!