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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2020-10-26 03:48 am

I asked if it made any difference if I should cross the line

Formulated in a friend's comments, transplanted here with minor emendations so that I remember it:

Since I continue not just to dislike but feel actively alienated by the term "demisexual" even though conceptually it is the closest of the extant labels to the mode in which my attraction to other people operates (all physical interest in a person follows from emotional and intellectual interest in them: I have never had a sexual partner who was not a friend first and I don't even seem to develop crushes on people I do not know; I suspect it of being linked on some level to the part where my interest in people's bodies does not take their sex or gender as a relevant consideration), it appears that my personal fix-it is "philosexual," because the connotations of Greek φίλος "beloved" do not confine to a particular kind of love. The professor from whom I learned Greek always translated φίλοι as one's "near and dear," encompassing family, lovers, friends. "Philosexual" would accurately convey for me the sense of "hot for the one you love" which is totally lacking from the construction of "demisexual," where the focus is on the half-quality of the sexuality over the experience of its activation. Now I just have to hope this term was not previously coined by some deeply skeevy human being and that's why it never caught on.

(My alienation and welcome to it: speaking personally, I don't feel I do sexuality by halves, and sociologically I have a lot of problems with the idea that a person only counts as a fully sexual being if they want to climb strangers like Kangchenjunga. I understand the value of the term by the number of people who use it as a self-identifier, but the idea that I should consider the manner in which I acquire my partners a significant part of my sexual identity remains, honestly, peculiar to me.)
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[personal profile] silveradept 2020-11-03 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
There is probably a better word (or words) to use than ἔρως then, if φίλος includes it, that more effectively captures the axis being described, between "I must get to know you thoroughly and have emotional feelings for you before I have physical feelings for you" and "you meet my threshold for physical attractiveness, so I will have sex with you."

Thank you for explaining! It's good to have a more correct understanding of words and their uses.
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[personal profile] silveradept 2020-11-03 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
Regrettably, I don't have many classicists or linguists on my reading lists (some, but not many), so I doubt I can throw up a flare and have assistance descend upon the thread. In the meantime, I hope the axis can be useful in describing things. Or in enticing any other classicists that you know into giving their opinion.
Edited 2020-11-03 04:00 (UTC)
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2020-12-16 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Hilariously, I think you and I might be near opposite ends of that particular spectrum. ♥