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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2020-02-12 03:50 pm

Let these changes make you more holy and true

Talking with [personal profile] nineweaving about her upcoming panels at Boskone, I said that I hoped someone would talk about Lloyd Alexander's Prydain on "The Magic Goes Away," because the ending of The High King (1968) is one of the only times I don't hate that trope. She asked why and I textbricked:

It came up at the panel on existentialist Lloyd Alexander at Readercon: it works for me because Alexander ties the departure of magic not to nostalgia or the end of a golden age but to the idea of responsibility and reality, reckoning—it is not always painful—with the world as it is. Gone are the Sons of Don who only ever remained in Prydain to hold the line against Arawn, a counterweight of preternatural good against supernatural evil, and with the vanquishing of the latter, the former would unbalance the world if they stayed. Gone are the magical implements that would till a field or weave a tapestry without the touch of human hand, but they are replaced by the inestimable treasure of the secrets of craftsmanship that Arawn stole long ago from humanity, which Taran explains are all the more precious because, unlike the ownership of individual enchanted objects, they are accessible to everyone and can be endlessly shared. I hated for years that Eilonwy had to choose between enchantment and everything else she wanted from her life, but Fflewddur with his oft-invoked kinship to the House of Don doesn't even get the choice, even though the ultimate renunciation of magic was foreshadowed by his funny, heartbreaking, crucial sacrifice of his harp, finally making himself responsible for his own flaws instead of relying on enchantment to keep him from having to do the work of growing up. (He still gets the last word in spirit: "And, in time, only the bards knew the truth of it.") Even though the story opens in a world of oracular pigs and books of prophecy and enchanted swords and warrior zombies et cetera et cetera, its magic is not in the end stronger or stranger or more wondrous than people themselves. There's a pang at its loss, but it's not even that there's so much else left when it's gone, there's so much unfolding into the space it left. It's not easy, but it's the world. The world is all we have. We make it the best we can. I like that much better than Tolkien's idea—reflected in Boskone's wording—which I cannot but imagine was inflected by his Catholicism, of a Fall.

It matters so much to me, the world that we have. I hate living in a time when so many people would deny it in favor of a world that never was or a world they imagine will come. I see the environmental signs, "There Is No Planet B," but it's not only the planet. It's our lives.
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2020-02-12 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Semi-related, perhaps: as a pretentious adolescent, I hated Disney for changing the ending of The Little Mermaid. Now, while it’s not my favourite movie or anything, I can’t help looking at it as a rare example of a fantasy-story heroine being allowed by the narrative to stay in the exotic magical land she journeyed to, instead of learning A Valuable Lesson about how she ought to be contented at home with her folks. (At least as a kid I had Book Dorothy to counter Movie Dorothy)
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[personal profile] dramaticirony 2020-02-12 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a great text brick. It could be the core of a great essay, for some lucky publication.

Very much looking forward to Boskone, and hope you all enjoy the 'thon!
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2020-02-12 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Gone are the magical implements that would till a field or weave a tapestry without the touch of human hand, but they are replaced by the inestimable treasure of the secrets of craftsmanship that Arawn stole long ago from humanity, which Taran explains are all the more precious because, unlike the ownership of individual enchanted objects, they are accessible to everyone and can be endlessly shared.

This is so, so beautiful. I think I'll just run off to weep into my tea, and then I'll share on Twitter.

And yes, you're right to tie it to there is no planet B. It matters so much to me, too.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2020-02-13 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
He's the kind of thing I want to be very contagious indeed :-)
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2020-02-13 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Oops--my initial reply was to your initial version of the comment, and I've only just read the edited comment.

YES the one unbreakable string. It's there even in fire.
Edited 2020-02-13 15:04 (UTC)
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[personal profile] rushthatspeaks 2020-02-13 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like the thing you're describing with Lloyd Alexander is also what Susan Cooper was trying to do in Silver on the Tree, except she got it wrong because magic does not equal memory. I would actually have been fine with the Light retreating to Avalon in the wake of defeating the Dark because she takes so much time throughout the series to reiterate how unhuman and incompatible with humanity the Light is, the "cold, white flame". But no, she had to get magic and memory confused and fucked the whole ending.
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[personal profile] vass 2020-02-13 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
It matters so much to me, the world that we have. I hate living in a time when so many people would deny it in favor of a world that never was or a world they imagine will come. I see the environmental signs, "There Is No Planet B," but it's not only the planet. It's our lives.

THIS.
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[personal profile] nineweaving 2020-02-13 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
When I asked to be on that panel, I wrote: "It breaks your heart, above all now:  we will have seen the last of Lothlorien, the last Amazonian butterfly, the last snowfall in Boston."

It didn't have to be this way. We could have made it work. Could save a few things still.

Nine

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[personal profile] nineweaving 2020-02-13 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not giving in! There's no use curling up and dying, but I'm sad and furious, and I get overwhelmed. Gotta shake myself.

And now i'm imagining eco-warriors for magic...

Nine
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[personal profile] sholio 2020-02-13 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
I love this. I should reread these books. I remember having a conflicted relationship with them as a young teen; I remember being unsettled in a way I couldn't quite deal with. I think perhaps I wanted a more classic happy ending at the time. But for that very reason, I think I might like them much better now.

And some of what you talk about above are actually among the reasons why I ended up loving the Magicians books as much as I did. They resonated with me in a way I'm not sure they would have a decade or two ago, when I was both less jaded and less aware of how valuable the world is and how important it is to hold onto. The resonance was not quite in this exact way, but I really, really loved what those book ended up having to say about engaging with the magic worlds of childhood as an adult, and outgrowing them in order to move on with your adult life, but still keeping a conduit to childhood open. Sometimes it's more important to be the person who makes magic doorways for other children who need them.
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Re: "No Planet B"

[personal profile] nodrog 2020-02-14 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
“In an era of stress and anxiety, when the present seems unstable and the future unlikely, the natural response is to retreat and withdraw from reality, taking recourse either in fantasies of the future or in modified visions of a half-imagined past.” - Alan Moore


I see a connection here to fantasy role-playing games both in when they started, in the mid-1970s, and in the personal situations of many players.
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Re: "No Planet B"

[personal profile] nodrog 2020-02-15 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] nodrog 2020-02-16 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
- Scratch that.  That was needless.  I do apologize.