sovay: (Viktor & Mordecai)
sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2019-02-10 12:30 am

Say you have the second sight

My appetite has evaporated thanks to the current medicinal cocktail, so I made myself a dessert with a can of sliced peaches boiled with coconut cream and honey in order to have something in my stomach for antibiotics and it was remarkably tasty. I will replenish my store of sliced canned peaches at the earliest opportunity. At some point in the future I will feel like making it again.

I am so very sick of not writing critically about things. That entire area of my brain appears to have gone on vacation without me (have the decency to send a postcard, you bum!) and I want it back. It's been weeks. The rest of this paragraph edited for Tiny Wittgenstein.

I left a comment on Facebook which I think I will want to remember, so with minimal edits for context:

"We were asked as part of the panel after the reading about this question of front-and-centering our own representation in fiction; when it came around to me, what I said is that prior to compiling my most recent collection, I would have said that my characters were relatively neutral sort of lens people, except that then I started reading the thirteen years of short stories and my idea of a neutral lens is apparently Jewish, queer, genderblarghy, okay; I can live with that."
thawrecka: (Lady Une)

[personal profile] thawrecka 2019-02-10 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
I find I inevitably centre my own representation in original fiction (to an amount that feels a little embarrassing, maybe) 90% of the time. Which is interesting.
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2019-02-10 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
That does sound like a nice combo.

We were fed a spicy dahl soup as a starter at a dinner the other night which had a yoghurt and coconut cream dressing. VERY nice indeed. :o)
thisbluespirit: (hugs)

[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2019-02-10 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope the medicinal cocktail at least gets on and does its job properly for you! In the meantime, peaches are something. But I hope you finally do feel at least more virus-free soon! <3
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2019-02-10 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
When you say "neutral lens," do you mean that that, before you thought about it more, you were thinking of your characters not so much as people-like-yourself (i.e., not front and centering your own representation particularly)? I was thinking you were going to follow that by saying that, when you realized the types of characters you wrote, you realized you did front-and-center your own representation. But maybe what you're doing is calling into question the notion of "neutral"? In other words, Jewish, queer, and genderblargh is just as neutral (or ought to be) as white cishet anglo male? An unselfaware writer meeting that description might not think of himself as centering his own representation; he might think he was writing a basket of Everymans, but really he's front-and-centering himself--that kind of thing?
Edited 2019-02-10 15:26 (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)

[personal profile] davidgillon 2019-02-10 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
In other words, Jewish, queer, and genderblargh is just as neutral (or ought to be) as white cishet anglo male?

I thoroughly approve of this point!
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2019-02-10 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
yay!

I think a writer's own experience is a natural neutral for the writer. They just have to realize it's not a universal neutral (because there is none). That's a thing that some people, unfortunately, have bashed into them in early life, while other people (equally unfortunately) obliviously go about assuming their neutral is everyone's when it very much isn't.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2019-02-10 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is exactly the problem with a lot of assumed neutrality in fiction, or the world.

Strongly agree
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2019-02-10 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
There's an interestingly wider context to that question, when you consider that one of the things literature is trying to do as part of We Need Diverse Books etc is increase the percentage of own-voices authors. If people don't front-and-centre their own representation, then there's no way we can achieve that.

Clearly there's been a degree of kick-back against that shift in writing with the Puppies etc, but it's difficult to know whether the question was conscious of that resonance.

Personally I'm perfectly happy to live with "Jewish, queer, genderblarghy" as the lens on your writing, keep it up ;)
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2019-02-10 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
other axes crept in.

This seems perfectly appropriate for a horror discussion ;)
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2019-02-10 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
And forgot to say, agree completely on your bullet points.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2019-02-10 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL
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[personal profile] selkie 2019-02-10 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
...I wonder what my neutral looks like.

I am so glad to see you typing sentences! Also, Child was playing defense at their 6:50am game and got an assist on a goal, and wanted you to know.