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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2018-07-23 10:45 am

I got my heart inside a loom

I start my week again with no sleep. I am having a lot of trouble just existing right now.

Internet hivemind, does anyone have books to recommend for a fourteen-year-old who has just come out as bi and is looking for congenial literature? She reads science fiction and mainstream fiction but not really fantasy, so naturally most of the examples coming to my mind of bisexual main characters or societies where bisexuality is normative are in the wrong genre. I am planning to suggest Ursula K. Le Guin and Phyllis Gotlieb [edit: and Yoon Ha Lee!] and I have no idea what middle-grade/YA looks like these days.
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[personal profile] selkie 2018-07-23 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
OOH OOH I KNOW THIS ONE, I GOT THIS

Leah on the Off Beat, Becky Albertalli

Little & Lion, Brandy Colbert

George, Alex Gino (bi/trans* rep iirc, but read this one three years ago)

All Out: The No-Longer Secret Stories of Queer Teens... Saundra Mitchell, ed.

The Gentleman's Guide to Vice and Virtue, Mackenzi Lee who also has a story in the above antho

It breaks my heart not to recommend Annie on My Mind, but it's not a great book when you haven't been around long enough to learn that not all our stories end that way. It is hands down my favorite lyrical/sweet/classic/quirky romance, and it's a picture of New York the way it was when we were kids; but it's not modern and it's not all there is any longer.


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[personal profile] selkie 2018-07-23 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
UGH it's STILL not letting me edit comments, so please pretend I closed the goddamn HTML tag like a sensical human.
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[personal profile] selkie 2018-07-23 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Remember this when the curly quotes happen. And the trailing ellipses and whatever all else.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2018-07-23 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I start my week again with no sleep. I am having a lot of trouble just existing right now.

Urgh. So much empathy and solidarity.

I have been having nights of not sleeping enough to be human because of 5 hours stretches of bad hip flexor spasms and pain (midnight-5am nonstop) that meant I couldn't fall asleep until 5am, followed by being woken up very early in the morning by my hips hurting. :(

Not being able to think or walk or talk because not enough sleep is so very very hard. :(
Edited (clarity) 2018-07-23 16:45 (UTC)
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[personal profile] choco_frosh 2018-07-23 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I start my week again with no sleep. I am having a lot of trouble just existing right now.

Ick, I'm so sorry.
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[personal profile] landofnowhere 2018-07-23 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
The characters are a bit younger than her, but I liked /Star Crossed/ by Barbara Dee. This is what I said about it on [personal profile] rachelmanija's FF friday thread:


a contemporary middle-school lesbian AU of Romeo and Juliet, where the characters are also putting on R&J as their school play. The plot starts off pretty similar to Romeo and Juliet -- in the equivalent of the masked ball scene, female Romeo crashes a Halloween party in a Darth Vader costume -- but then goes in a much lighter direction, which is why I think it's more of an AU than a retelling.


It's unclear whether the protagonist (AU!female Romeo) is bisexual or lesbian (she is still in middle school), but she does start out with a crush on a boy (AU!male Rosaline)

Empress of the World by Sara Ryan: this one was actually around when I was a teen -- and I enjoyed it at the time for its portrayal of nerd camp, but haven't reread since. I think one of the romantic leads is lesbian and the other is bisexual, but I'm not sure?
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[personal profile] landofnowhere 2018-07-23 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Also My Heartbeat by Garret Freymann-Weyr is the other book with bisexual characters that I remember reading and enjoying (Garret Freymann-Weyr is in general a great writer). About a love triangle involving the protagonist, her brother, and her brother's best friend.
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2018-07-23 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
in the equivalent of the masked ball scene, female Romeo crashes a Halloween party in a Darth Vader costume

It is my opinion that any masked ball scene needs to involve costumes that cover up enough of the individuals involved for mistaken/unknown identity shenanigans to be plausible, so props to this.
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[personal profile] gwynnega 2018-07-23 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I start my week again with no sleep. I am having a lot of trouble just existing right now.

Ugh. I am sorry.
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2018-07-23 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I start my week again with no sleep. I am having a lot of trouble just existing right now.

<3 And grr to that, anyway.

(I have no book suggestions; I tended to read more fantasy, and I'm way out of date on that.)
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2018-07-23 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you read less fiction nowadays, or less overall, or what?

Well, I can't read very well due to the CFS - it exhausts me and gives me headaches quite quickly and it's hard to take stuff in or care about it much. It is, this last year or so, finally getting a bit easier. So, yes, I have not been reading as much of anything for the past 7 or 8 years. And before that I was a children's librarian and I was heavily involved with things like the Youth Libraries Group as well, so I had to read an awful lot of YA, and my adult stuff was mainly re-reads and new books by familiar authors as a break!

As to fantasy, I gave up somewhere about 2000 after one series of brick epics about guys with swords too many, being resigned to things never being as good and as varied as the children's fantasy authors I'd grown up with. I'm now enviously realising that this is NO LONGER SO and I still can't read them as I need to wait for brain so I don't throw them across the room. (If you notice me not reading fic, or published fiction, it's a lot to do with this. If it doesn't matter, I can give it a go. If it matters, I don't want to wind up resenting it just for the effort it took to read it, which I do sometimes. It's a fine balance. Various authors have been thrown across the room and I don't think all of them were to blame for anything.)

Which is a long answer, but it bothers me a lot! I am very pleased that I do at last seem to have turned a corner and the effort/result balance seems to be a lot better in general, but nothing's guaranteed.
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2018-07-24 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
I get round to recommendations evntually! I mean, obviously, provided I like the sound of them. Just... give me anything up to a decade or so. :-)
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[personal profile] akycha 2018-07-23 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Melissa Scott has done some lovely sci-fi with bi characters. I really enjoyed Night Sky Mine although I can't remember if the main character identifies as bi; she's some flavor of queer and is a teenager, as I recall. Dreamships and its sequel is also excellent and the main character is a woman involved with a woman; the sequel, Dreaming Metal is also great and has great queer characters.

I also recommend the Murderbot series to everyone right now. The new one is coming out in August! Murderbot identifies as ace, but there are bi and polyromantic and nonbinary and otherwise queer characters all around and it's a really great and fun series.

A Long Way to a Small Angry Planet is quite good and there is a happy queer romance in it.

[personal profile] between4walls 2018-07-23 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Erin Bow's THE SCORPION RULES and THE SWAN RIDERS are a sci-fi YA duology with a bisexual princess-hostage MC and AIs and robots. Just make sure she knows there's a sequel as the first one ends with the parting of the gfs.
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2018-07-23 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Possibly The Summer Prince, by Alaya Dawn Johnson (sf). And Rosemary Kirstein's Steerswoman series definitely has same-sex relationships, though I can't at the moment recall whether anyone is bi or pansexual. And she might like Jemisin's The Broken Earth trilogy, which I think of as fantasy with a lot of sf feel to it.
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[personal profile] skygiants 2018-07-23 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
The Steerswoman books are stealth science fiction masquerading as fantasy! Which is a spoiler, but also potentially the kind of spoiler that sells one on a book.
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[personal profile] alexxkay 2018-07-23 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Arguably *Hard* SF, even. Among my favorites, though not especially bi-ful, as I recall. Also, a series with an odd relationship to the concept of "spoilers", since one of its frequent joys (for me) is in seeing the protagonist work out something I (and, I think, the general SF reader) realized many chapters earlier.
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2018-07-24 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I start my week again with no sleep. I am having a lot of trouble just existing right now.

I resemble this statement. Strength and spoons!
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[personal profile] brigdh 2018-07-24 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I have some recs!

The Bermudez Triangle by Maureen Johnson is young-ish mainstream YA. Three best friends struggle to maintain their friendship as they grow up (they're currently in high school), two of them try dating for a while which doesn't work out but they continue to identify as bi and gay, respectively. It's probably not a particularly great book for "YA these days", since it came out in 2007, but I remember really enjoying it.

An Accident of Stars (plus the sequel, A Tyranny of Queens) by Foz Meadows is portal fantasy, so I'm not quite sure it would meet the genre requirements, but I did like its portrayal of a regular teen girl dealing with misogyny and homophobia being transported to a world where neither is an issue. It does have some graphic violence so 14 might be a little young, but if she's read Hunger Games, it's no worse than that.

The Change series by by Rachel Manija Brown and Sherwood Smith (first book is "The Stranger") is post-apocalyptic YA with a surprisingly upbeat tone, given it's post-apocalyptic and all. It has a big cast who share POV duties, and there are several types of sexuality expressed. It's a society where there's no real homophobia or racism. There's a lot of X-Men influence in this series's concept, so it's a good rec if she's a fan of those comics or movies.

Adaptation by Malinda Lo is also post-apocalyptic YA, or rather mid-apocalypse, with the main character realizing she's not quite straight during the adventures. I haven't actually read this one myself, but I've read a lot of Lo's other books and feel like she's a good recommendation in general. Her "Ash" is a retold lesbian Cinderella that's very popular among teens, but it might be too fantasy for your person.

Santa Olivia by Jacqueline Carey. Yet more post-apocalypse, this one combines dystopia with superpowers, plus a bi heroine. I've seen this advertised as both YA and adult, so I suppose it straddles the line between the two; it may depend on your specific 14-year-old's tastes. Again, I don't think it's any worse than Hunger Games.

Boy Meets Boy by David Levithan is perfectly mainstream YA (or, well, it was when it came out in 2003) except that it's our world without homophobia. It's almost unbearably fluffy and drama-free, but sometimes that's what we all need, I suppose, especially when you're 14.

I haven't read either "Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda" by Becky Albertalli or "Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe" by Benjamin Alire Sáenz, but they're hugely popular among YA fans (and 'Simon' was recently made into a movie), so I'd assume they're worth reading. They're both mainstream YA and both feature gay male leads, but they may be of interest nonetheless.

I found "The Gentleman's Guide to Vice and Virtue" (which is historical YA with fantasy elements) almost unbearably preachy and social justice 101, but I suspect it may go over better with young teens, who are after all its intended audience. Plus the sequel, "The Lady's Guide to Petticoats and Piracy", is due out this October, with a teen female main character who I think probably is asexual, from her appearance in the first book, but who has queer female best friends.
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[personal profile] selidor 2018-07-25 09:09 am (UTC)(link)
Probably says something that all my teenage-level books coming to mind for these requirements are fantasy, but it sounds like brigdh has got things covered.
Oh! I recall Karen Healey has a set of YA books that would be suitable. I think the first one was a little more fantasy, but the most recent one is definitely postapocalyptic. http://www.karenhealey.com/books/