sovay: (Sovay: David Owen)
sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2018-06-30 02:23 am

While the people were pressed into camps not called concentration

I have a protest in the morning, so I'm trying to encourage myself to sleep. I just finished reading Julian E. Zelizer's "A Template for 'Incivility'," about the anti-war movement of the 1960's and '70's; it reminded me again how thoroughly the Vietnam War appears to have been scrubbed from American popular consciousness. It's happened in my lifetime. I was born in 1981. I grew up in a house full of protest records. Everyone my parents' age had a story of the draft, whether they had been caught by it or not. There were veterans in my family. There were veterans on film. And now all that seems to remain of those decades is a vague contemptuous image of some ineffectual hippies, self-indulgently chanting and peacing out while the real business of the world went on outside their flower-decked circle of privilege, unless they cut their hair and turned coat to the establishment; either way, there is nothing to learn from that generation. It's a great way to cut today's activists off from previous strategies, make them reinvent the wheel. When you erase the memory of a war, you erase the memory of its resistance. You make people forget that for a full decade in American life it was normal to fight with the government: to scream at it, to scare it, to slow it down. There was a revival of that sentiment with the start of the Iraq War, but it was drowned in the hyper-nationalism of Junior Bush and his WWII cosplay. (I don't think it helped that the Dixie Chicks were all but destroyed for calling him out, which he still deserves. His reputation has been lately rehabilitated just because he's not 45, as if that's a recommendation as opposed to a bar cleared easily by pond slime. I wanted for eight years to see him on trial for war crimes.) This country's knowledge of itself is so fractured. We remember the nickname "Cadet Bone Spurs" and understand it is—incivil—of him to mock McCain for enduring what he dodged, but the rest might as well have faded into mythology, except mythology has fandoms and I am not sure Vietnam activism does.
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[personal profile] selenak 2018-06-30 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I maintain the Vietnam erasure has a lot to do with it going directly going against the story, or if you like the myth, of America which is so incredibly deeply entrenched in both right and left. And the way generation after generation (on the Allied side) falls in love with WWII is because among so many other things, it's the ultimate good vs evil roleplay for them, it has the correct outcome, and any alternative outcome that's usually considered is inevitably a worse one.

Now you could say that the way civil disobedience and protests were also a good versus evil tale with the right outcome, but: Johnson, and even Nixon, don't function as well as the big bads. Both weren't dictators, they headed an elected, democractic government. And where WWII fits right in with the whole "Band of brothers"/"our brave men"/"support the troops" dogmas and credo, Vietnam has screwed up vets at best and My Lai at worst. Facing the complicitness of such a large part of the population, from the generals down to the avarage soldier, in the wrongs before a right could be achieved isn't something the US was/is used to.
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[personal profile] selenak 2018-07-01 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
Great comparison with pre-Code and post-Code movies, and agreed.

We would not have Vietnam-set movies with any nuance otherwise, and they absolutely and acclaimedly exist.

Absolutely, and they weren't all made in the 70s, either, but went on being made during the Reagan era. However, presumably it helped that the general cultural climate in the 1970s encouraged said nuance, and that of course most of the film makers were of that generation, with protests etc. a very recent memory lingering into the present.

Incidentally: it's a cliché that I've seen repeated not just by Republicans but by many Democrats that what ultimately cost Carter the election was that he talked about America's malaise whereas Reagan told the US about its greatness etc. Which, okay, but now you have the Orange Menace who swept into power by telling America how rotten everything. Presumably the difference is that Carter didn't blame outside forces and/or his political opponents?