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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2015-07-27 10:30 pm

In all our valleys the light is the same. And it's the light that matters

So I have a theological question.

I am re-reading Elizabeth Goudge's The Valley of Song (1951) for the nth time. It's one of the books where I notice different things with each reading; that's part of the reason it's her best book, although others include the beauty of the writing and the numinous generally busting out all over. This time, a line in the scene in which the protagonist is waiting outside the door to the Valley of Song (only children may enter this country which is called by mortals "Fairyland, or the Garden of Eden, or Arcadia, or the Earthly Paradise, or the Elysian Fields, or some such ridiculous name. We just call it the Workshop," so in order to let someone else go in, Tabitha has taken on some of their years as her own and is now too old herself to be allowed inside) sprang out at me:

Andrew turned to Tabitha, his face radiant. "I may go in!" he said, and he gripped her hand. "Come on, Tabitha."

Tabitha pulled her hand away and leaned against the wall, hiding her face, and the same misery that had overwhelmed her when Julie went in without her came over her again. This dreadful shut-out and cast-away feeling! She had never felt so wretched. She had not known one
could feel so miserable. Her voice came to Andrew from behind her hands, muffled and forlorn. "I can't go in with you. I'm too old."

"Too old? You can't be!" said Andrew, and he pulled her hands away from her face.

"Five years too old!" sobbed Tabitha. "I'm fifteen. I can't go in."

There was a long and anguished silence, while Andrew struggled to make up his mind about something, then he took a deep breath. "Then I'm not going in either," he said. "If you're shut out, I'll be shut out too."

Tabitha liked to hear him say that. It was almost worth being shut out to hear him say that. The door swung wide and a great breath of life-giving air blew through it.

"Come in, both of you," said the splendid voice, and there was almost a note of celestial impatience in its splendour. "Little girl, you carried that burden well, but long enough for a child. Come in and be with him. He'll need firm handling. Boy, you were ready to be exiled with her, and the readiness is all. Am I to be until the Last Trump holding this door open?"


Those of you who have read Mary Renault may be nodding already, because this is a concept I learned first from The King Must Die (1958):

"Horses go blindly to the sacrifice, but the gods give knowledge to men. When the King was dedicated, he knew his moira. In three years, or seven, or nine, or whenever the custom was, his term would end and the god would call him. And he went consenting, or else he was no king, and power would not fall on him to lead the people. When they came to choose among the Royal Kin, this was his sign: that he chose short life with glory, and to walk with the god, rather than live long, unknown like the stall-fed ox. And the custom changes, Theseus, but this token never. Remember, even if you do not understand . . . It is not the sacrifice, whether it comes in youth or age, or the god remits it; it is not the bloodletting that calls down power. It is the consenting, Theseus. The readiness is all."

Where does this idea originate? Is it as simple as going back to the Binding of Isaac: that it was enough for Abraham to be willing to sacrifice his son? Is there a more complicated aetiology I don't know about, or a particularly Christian significance that would have been important to Goudge? I happen to believe it, just as I believe that an unconsenting sacrifice has no power (see Peter S. Beagle's The Last Unicorn (1968): "Real magic can never be made by offering someone up else's liver. You must tear out your own, and not expect to get it back. The true witches know that"), and I think it is not an uncommon belief. But I don't know where it comes from, if it doesn't come from the story I thought of first, and I'm curious.

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2015-07-28 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
Should I assume this is where Renault got her phrasing as well?

I think it's likely: writers of their generation (Goudge was born in 1900, Renault in 1905) were soaked in Shakespeare.

In English folklore, you're supposed to ask certain trees' consent before you lop them.

Nine
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[identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com 2015-07-28 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
I second the Hamlet citation; it's certainly what leaped out at me.

Tangential to the sacrifice topic: I came up with a notion for a magic system years ago (and never did anything with it), based around the notion of Conservation of Uncertainty. You can make unlikely (or at least uncertain) things guaranteed to happen, but only by trading off *increased* uncertainty somewhere else. If you want to do a very large magical working, say to ensure a good harvest or a nation's success in war, you need an equally large vector of uncertainty -- the traditional implementation of which would be to put the King into a situation where he had a 50% chance of dying. As Kings grew in political power, this practice got corrupted into the ceremonial and/or proxy 'sacrifices' that we see in recorded history. Such practices don't actually work (in a magical sense), but they had a lot of cultural inertia behind them.
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[identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com 2015-07-28 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The Wicker Man is one of Kestrell's favorite movies, so we discuss it often. Yeah, it would be dramatically appropriate for Lord S to have to go willingly himself, and I think he would.

Kes wants to see a modern-day sequel, where Summerisle is now a data haven. Given Christopher Lee's age during the original, we figure his heir was probably off at college, so even if dad did have to sacrifice himself, that wouldn't necessarily mean the end of the line.