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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2013-02-04 09:26 am

Inter their bodies as becomes their births

Hello, Richard.

I have to say, this makes me extremely happy.

(Further details from the University of Leicester here.)

[identity profile] hawkwing-lb.livejournal.com 2013-02-04 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
...That's fabulous archaeology. The find of a lifetime.

(Richard!)

[identity profile] hawkwing-lb.livejournal.com 2013-02-05 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
There's not infrequently weirdness with radiocarbon in general. (Alas. Archaeologists really prefer to be able to date things by pots, or by trees.)

I think the DNA analysis bits are just showing off for the press. How many killed-in-battle men with scoliosis buried in a friary of that general vintage can there be?

(Of course, this could just be me being bitter about ULeic's ability to fund the DNA analysis etc.)

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2013-02-04 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
What amazing work!

Nine
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[personal profile] beowabbit 2013-02-04 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the link! I’d heard about this on the radio but it’s nice to see the photos.
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[personal profile] selidor 2013-02-04 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope it holds up (no paper yet, for example): there is a lot of grumbling in the paleo-dna community about methods and techniques and science by press conference. As one of them put it, "BREAKING: ancient DNA confirms Plantagenet Life Metabolised Arsenic."

On an unrelated note, hopefully this will also be true...
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[personal profile] selidor 2013-02-05 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't found a highly specific post yet; this is a light summary of the concerns. The main problem is confirming that the mitochondrial DNA is unique, and that the DNA wasn't contaminated.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2013-02-04 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent. I'm delighted it makes you very happy. Thanks so much for sharing it.

I hope it holds up as well, although the non-DNA parts of it sound solid to me, at least to the degree I can judge them without having seen an actual site report, etc. Doesn't seem likely there'd be that many high status men with severe scoliosis, killed in battle and buried hastily and ignominously but inside a church and in about the right locality in that period.

I do wish the Guardian reporter hadn't described a halberd as "razor sharp," which always gets to me because you don't put a razor edge on something that you're going to be chopping through bone with, and probably a goodly number of bones if you're to live through the day, bashing armour with, etc. It's not that it's not sharp, which is the other error in historical arms writing that always gets on my nerves, it's just that it's sharpened more like a felling axe than a chef's knife... But that's me being a geek again.

The sword injury at the time of death is interesting. Suggests he must have lost his helm in the fight, because you can't cut through a helm with a sword. I'd like to read something detailed enough to explain why they're thinking of that as a perimortem battlefield injury rather than another postmortem mutilation.

If Richard visits you and him asking a poem of you, I hope he'll be polite about it.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2013-02-06 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
I'm assuming there will be papers. Then I'll just have to hope I can get access to them.

Aye. And there's the rub. Well, with luck we'll both get to see them, one way or another, at least some of them.

Thank you.

You're welcome.
Edited 2013-02-06 07:14 (UTC)

[identity profile] moon-custafer.livejournal.com 2013-02-05 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
I'd been aware of the car park but hadn't realized until today that they'd found a body and been checking it. The skull does resemble the portraits, and the circumstances do seem to fit.

[identity profile] moon-custafer.livejournal.com 2013-02-06 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
They already have. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/02/05/technology-richard-iii-facial-reconstruction.html)

[identity profile] ladymondegreen.livejournal.com 2013-02-07 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This is one of the few things that has made me grin all week. I am really pleased that this shows all signs of turning out to be real.

I am a big fan of Time Team, who would probably love to get their mitts on this sort of thing, but as someone said upstream in the comments, this really is the find of a lifetime.

[identity profile] ladymondegreen.livejournal.com 2013-02-08 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
It has been a bit of a week, but I'm also just enough of an archeology nut, and a British history fan to find a verifiable excavation like this a big pick-me-up.

So, a bit of both, really. I'll be glad when the weekend is here.

[identity profile] ladymondegreen.livejournal.com 2013-02-08 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Sleep well, and dream on spring.