You're not a pest! I appreciate the vote of confidence; it just isn't a project I'd like to run, even without Rose pointing out that then I couldn't be in it.
It wouldn't, actually - because most Jewish speculative poetry is written by Sonya. If we could include our own poems as editors, we wouldn't have this many problems :P
I have never consciously tried for it, but I can if you promise not to mock the living snot out of me.
I suspect it's because it's a lot of weight to bring to something as compact as a poem, and not many people are all that good at packing in genre and cultural nuance in the same piece. By the time you decide for yourself what speculative is, in the context of your images, you then also need to decide how much Jew to add. It's a thing.
I think it's rather because spec. poets so often default to familiar tropes, tropes that everyone in the genre recognizes; for example, Brothers Grimm fairytales seem to be very popular, and everyone is writing them - Jews, PoC of different cultures/countries, white folks, everyone. In MoC, for example, I have a Holocaust Cinderella poem by a Jewish poet, and a lesbian Cinderella poem by a South American poet; chosen from a veritable pageant of Cinderellas. I am not sure that say, dybbuks are less recognizable than Cinderella at this point, but here you go. Part of our work for ST is to try to encourage poets to take more chances, rather than default to the familiar. It seems to be working. Which is to say, yes, please, I'd love to see Jewish poems, or anything else-poems from you. :-)
Well, I count on *you* to write it. You've written some lovely pieces. And rose_lemberg, she's written some lovely speculative verse with a Jewish flavor.
I'm trying to remember if Vic Elias had any SF poems. He certainly read SF and wrote on Jewish themes. I'm going to have to go back through his collections and see if any of them intersected.
A Midsummer Night's Press is bringing out a collection by Jane Yolen, THE LAST SELCHIE CHILD. Will have to check if there is anything Jewish in the collection.
Oh, and Lucy Schmeidler too. batyatoon reminded me of a poem of hers that qualifies, but I can't remember the title. I'll try to get batyatoon to swing by.
Re: Hebrew, I went through my back issues of Khalomot Beaspamia, and found only a few poems, none of them Jewish-themed. I don't have all the back issues of Khalomot, but from memory the Israeli fandom is not very big on specpo. Of course, Lavie is the person to ask...
Also, the person to ask about this--and nudge until he edits the anthology--is Lawrence Schimel, since he conveniently owns a poetry publishing company.
Also, the person to ask about this--and nudge until he edits the anthology--is Lawrence Schimel, since he conveniently owns a poetry publishing company.
I am possibly more ignorant of SF poetry publishing than anyone in the world, so I haven't a clue about Matt's poetry bona fides! But worth at least querying Lawrence, I would think.
I am wracking my brain trying to remember whether some of the Jewish feminist poems I've read over the years might be speculative. Maybe Marge Piercy or Irena Klepfisz?
I am wracking my brain trying to remember whether some of the Jewish feminist poems I've read over the years might be speculative.
One of the problems with this entire question, of course, is the traditional sticking point with speculative poetry: if it's an entirely content-based definition, the poet might not categorize it as such, even if a reader might see the dybbuk and think so.
Is there any sort of anthology you would be interested in editing? (Forgive me if someone else has already asked this.) Are there any other book projects or book series you'd be interested in editing?
Are there any other book projects or book series you'd be interested in editing?
It's an interesting question; at the moment, I don't know. I think a few years ago, I would have been very happy to pick up any number of projects. Now, unless my particular editorship feels absolutely vital to the field, it just feels like a huge expenditure of energy.
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If you did, I would love to read it. I'd buy.
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Honestly, I'd rather people just told me.
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Seriously though, it is a problem.
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Both counts.
Sadly, my little brain is still slightly blown by The Last Unicorn, so I am of no use.
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Yay, The Last Unicorn!
I read that book for the first time before I was eight; I cannot calculate the influence it had on my brain.
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I don't know the anthology—contemporary Jewish poetry?
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(And coming out on Sept. 1st!)
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Congratulations!
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Thank you. I really meant it, though: I'd rather not.
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You're not a pest! I appreciate the vote of confidence; it just isn't a project I'd like to run, even without Rose pointing out that then I couldn't be in it.
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I suspect it's because it's a lot of weight to bring to something as compact as a poem, and not many people are all that good at packing in genre and cultural nuance in the same piece. By the time you decide for yourself what speculative is, in the context of your images, you then also need to decide how much Jew to add. It's a thing.
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Part of our work for ST is to try to encourage poets to take more chances, rather than default to the familiar. It seems to be working.
Which is to say, yes, please, I'd love to see Jewish poems, or anything else-poems from you. :-)
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I wouldn't even if I hadn't promised. Go for it.
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Only one I've done, I'm afraid.
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That said, good idea! I think we should make
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Write another?
That said, good idea! I think we should make mattkressel do it.
Seconded!
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Hmmm.
Over Matt Kressel?
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Totally!
(Mostly I know Matt through Sybil's Garage; I've never interacted with Lawrence as an editor. I just really don't want to edit the thing myself!)
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Hello, linking real-life name with livejournal handle!
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One of the problems with this entire question, of course, is the traditional sticking point with speculative poetry: if it's an entirely content-based definition, the poet might not categorize it as such, even if a reader might see the dybbuk and think so.
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How about Enid Dame and her Lilith poems?
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I know nothing of this!
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I feel for you: the lack of SF/F in Irish is something I find very frustrating.
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It's an interesting question; at the moment, I don't know. I think a few years ago, I would have been very happy to pick up any number of projects. Now, unless my particular editorship feels absolutely vital to the field, it just feels like a huge expenditure of energy.