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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2011-06-06 04:32 pm

Is it not most often so, when we follow the Eagles?

I'm not dead; I'm just not sleeping, which has rather the same effect on my conversation.

But I got a postcard in the mail from the porta dextra of Eboracum, so things could be worse.

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought the lack of sleep might have cropped up again. It's why I didn't call earlier. I hate inflicting the phone on people at the best of times, never mind the soggier of times, and I had a feeling.

*hugs*

Someone studying there, or have you gotten really good at a bunch of disciplines ending in --mancy?

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
...but it's the telephone. *shudders*

*egregious hugs*

Am a tiny bit sad that it wasn't, like, a repurposed curse tablet you got in the post. "Having a great time; wish you had seen where I set down my cloak, because you wouldn't believe how hard it is to get a new one in these quaint colonies..."

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
If it turns out intelligence is correct, you may do me about six curse tablets all directed to the paterfamilias of the undersigned.

S.

[identity profile] schreibergasse.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Sadly, I know not Enough about your pater
To carve you a curse Enclose it in lead:
Dread defixio Dooming him to pains,
Ill-luck in his love life, And loosing money,
hair, and health; and possibly heart-attacks.

Instead, I will scribe Again the story
of the vast Castra : How it viewed calamities,
changes in roads And river-channels,
And in tongues of the townsmen, And in its towers:
"One is left to me: western tower-ward,
Rebuilt by Britains, Barbarians and Normans.
(The monastery by it, Murdered by the king,
now it mews a museum. All things are mutable).
My gates are gone Save that whose way goes
to cross the pennines. Where the cannabae stood,
Constantine made a colony, To remember his conquests
Ramparts he built there. The ruins survived,
when next came the Norsemen. They knew about towns!
Built they a new burg Beside the Ouse-bank,
Where the Fosse flowed in, To furnish a harbor.
A new bridge built they (The stone one was broken),
And so made a mainstreet To Micklegate Bar.
To the banks of the Fosse They extended my fortress-wall,
Left by the Legions, For many long years.
No folk dwelled there, When this land was Deira
Save monks at their Minster, Now mighty and great.
But strems silt up, And ships grew greater,
And left was I lonely Unloved by merchants.
An Industrial Age, changed that in an instant:
The Fosse was re-dyked, Far from the walls,
I became Rail-town, Ruling the raillines.

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know you, but I love you.

(No worries, I'm gay.)

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2011-06-09 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent. Very nicely done!

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The porta dextra of Eboracum has been writing you? The stones speak! I'm awed.

Great track.

I bloody well hope you get some sleep, and soon.

Nine
Edited 2011-06-06 20:36 (UTC)

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, you're great at -mancy. Can you raise him?

Wouldn't his be wonderful?

Nine

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
He's gone. Could get you Jack, though. Poor Jack.

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Well, my chilled innards will be spending the night in Loos...

Bring your specs to the front, kiddies.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh. I am sorry, and *hugs* as much as they may help.

[identity profile] movingfinger.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
In the town, the soldiers come and go, talking of paychecks, food, and blows.

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Nice!

Nine

[identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
But what have the Romans ever done for us (apart from a reliable postal system...)

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Spintriae?

Nine

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
A reliable postal service is a definite plus!

(And Hello Sovay!)

[identity profile] thistleingrey.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not dead; I'm just not sleeping

I misread this the first time as "I'm just sleeping". Alas. :(

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry about your not sleeping, and I hope you're feeling better very soon. I'm glad for your postcard. It's more than twenty years since I've seen Eboracum, or perhaps I'd more like myself in calling her Jorvik. A lovely place, and I'd like to see more of her.

Actually, that reminds me of something that came up when I was teaching place names* a couple of weeks ago. We call New York by the name of Nua Eabhrac,** which is only a calque. I started wondering if the Irish name for the city of York comes from Middle English or Norse, as one might first assume on basis of simple history, or if it's not actually from Latin instead. (I'm given to understand that the bh might have been pronounced as a consonant at one time.)

*"Tá mé i mo chónaí i ____"="I live in ____", that sort of thing. In the future I'm going to rewrite the materials I was using, because they had "Tá mé i mo chónaí i bPhiladelphia" as their example, which is really awkward because we don't use "ph". The choice is to treat it as an Irish word and the pretend the first h doesn't really mean anything, in which case it's pronounced "i bila...", or else to follow the sounds and pretend it's written Filadelfia, leading to "i bhFiladelfia" which would be pronounced "i wiladelfia". (The choice folk usually make, in my experience, is just to say that foreign names don't _get_ initial mutations and to write and say "i Philadelphia". TLDR="Philadelphia was a really bad choice for them to make, and I should've caught it and rewritten the materials before classtime." Sorry for wittering so.
**It sounds like noo-uh YOH-ruck when somebody with my accent says it, or noo-uh YOW-ruck when somebody with a more southerly way of speaking says it.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2011-06-09 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
but I have no idea how it got into other languages

I wonder if anyone does. Seems like a possible subject for a paper, if one knew how to research it.

I know the underlying language is uncertain; presumably Brythonic something, but there are no attestations outside of the Romanized place-name.

Would make sense, that. Any road, there isn't much Brythonic influence on Irish, from what I'm given to understand*--Latin continues to strike me as maybe the most likely source. I'm trying to think if there's anybody I could ask who'd know enough about loanwords in Old and Middle Irish.

*Although I do remember a lecturer at UCC saying that "Gael" probably came from a Brythonic word meaning "Woods-person, savage."

[identity profile] ladymondegreen.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I commiserate. I am not sleeping either. Perhaps we can propel our not sleeping into some kind of stream-of-consciousness project.

*many hopes that you sleep well soon*

[identity profile] ladymondegreen.livejournal.com 2011-06-07 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh thank you! Mine isn't so much insomnia as coughing randomly. I'm getting over bronchitis.