sovay: (Psholtii: in a bad mood)
sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2009-07-31 09:49 pm

[identity profile] shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not aware of any difference between hybridized/engineered tomatoes and traditional types as regards resistance to late blight. If you have reliable information supporting this claim, please provide.

In the mean time, note that every article on this phenomenon blames a combination of negligence in home garden stores and an usually cool and wet summer. (Hot, sunny weather kills late blight, which is why it usually doesn't strike until the end of the tomato season, hence its name.)

[identity profile] timesygn.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
The comparative resistance to blight of engineered vs. traditional tomatoes was not the subject of my comments. I did not touch on this topic, nor did I make any claims regarding it. I cannot support a claim I have not made, nor can I provide reliable information about it.

You are very fortunate to have the time to read "every article" on blight.

[identity profile] shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Rebuke appreciated, if not the sarcasm.

Let me reform my argument: I don't see any indication that monoculture farming is responsible for this outbreak. If you have information on the matter that does not spread from your personal intuition, please provide it.

Every article that I have read on the subject, and they are several, agrees on the overall cause of the problem: the presence of a naturally and frequently occurring fungus, spread due to the lack of government regulation of home garden stores and their stock, combined with a bizarre and not fully explained weather pattern that happens to suit the fungus's purposes perfectly. Again, any solid information to the contrary would be appreciated.

[identity profile] timesygn.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
My comments are not based on intuition. They are based on my experience as a professional farmer. My credentials in this regard are not based on academic publications, but rather on the quality of my produce, the soundness of my methods and the satisfaction of my customers. My comments on monoculture are based on comparative experiences on farms with monoculture vs. those which maintain a diversity of produce and a living eco-system.

If you would like to learn what I know, I offer the following recommendations:

1. Put down the books
2. Get outside into the field
3. Get to work

You will learn many things that are not in books or in articles on the Internet and sooner or later the academics will catch up to you.

This discussion is now closed. Thank you.

[identity profile] shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
My comments are not based on intuition. They are based on my experience as a professional farmer. My credentials in this regard are not based on academic publications, but rather on the quality of my produce, the soundness of my methods and the satisfaction of my customers. My comments on monoculture are based on comparative experiences on farms with monoculture vs. those which maintain a diversity of produce and a living eco-system.

I respect the practical knowledge that your profession allows you, but that does not delegitimize the contributions of other professions and other types of experts. Your background also does not automatically imply that your every pronouncement on the subject is correct.

I'm aware of the problems with monoculture farming, and I agree that it's not an intelligent agricultural system. You don't have to convince me of that. But you've yet to convincingly connect monoculture to the blight outbreak, which has affected everything from huge industrial farms down to diverse backyard gardens across the northeast and mid-Atlantic regions.

This discussion is now closed. Thank you.

Unwillingness to discuss a matter does not prove the unwilling party correct. Anyone can tell me I'm wrong; I'm asking you, as someone with far more experience that I have, to show me that I'm wrong.