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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2008-11-11 12:23 pm

Our young men shall see visions

If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied.

—Rudyard Kipling, "Common Form" (1918)

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Left this link for our friend [livejournal.com profile] blue_vervain, too:

"Old Coat"--though, you may already know it. Or have it. As may he, indeed.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if he included himself in the condemnation. I rather think he did.

Kipling is one of the great writers of WWI- not only for the poems but for stories like Mary Postgate, The Janeites, A Madonna of the Trenches, The Gardener.
Edited 2008-11-11 16:45 (UTC)

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed.

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been in the thick of that war all year at work, cataloging thousands upon thousands of pamphlets full of lies.

Nine

[identity profile] alankria.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes.
chomiji: Kyoshirou from Samurai Deeper Kyo, weeping.  Caption: Nor all your tears wash out a word of it o (Kyoushirou-tears)

[personal profile] chomiji 2008-11-11 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)

And I can't help but wonder now, Willie McBride,
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
Did you really believe them when they told you the cause?
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame,
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
For Willie McBride, it's all happened again,
And again, and again, and again, and again.

- Eric Bogle, 1976

[identity profile] shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com 2008-11-11 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
They ask me where I've been,
And what I've done and seen.
But what can I reply
Who know it wasn't I,
But someone just like me,
Who went across the sea
And with my head and hands
Killed men in foreign lands...
Though I must bear the blame,
Because he bore my name.
~Wilfred Gibson, "Back"

[identity profile] fleurdelis28.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
Also: http://ghostwolf.dyndns.org/words/authors/K/KiplingRudyard/verse/p1/mesopotamia.html

(Though I wonder if Churchill was one of the people he had in mind...)