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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2008-04-11 05:56 pm

Ah, sir, times is hard, times is hard

For his birthday tomorrow, my father requested meat pies. So I spent this morning and afternoon preparing the different kinds of filling, pulled pork with improvised barbecue sauce and curried beef with onions; rolling out the dough, crimping and brushing the pies with egg: I have just put the lot in the refrigerator to await the celebratory dinner. Yes, of course I listened to Sweeney Todd all the while. What do you take me for?

(Incidentally: edible anatomy lessons. I so need a copy of this book.)

And I love how the tale does not stop safely in the past. The last "Ballad of Sweneey Todd" is where melodrama turns into myth; the foolish barber and his wife are done with, but like a hungry ghost or a thoughtless promise, once called up, Sweeney will never disappear.

His needs are few, his room is bare
He hardly uses his fancy chair
The more he bleeds, the more he lives
He never forgets and he never forgives
Perhaps today you gave a nod
To Sweeney Todd
The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Sweeney wishes the world away, Sweeney's weeping for yesterday
Hugging the blade, waiting the years
Hearing the music that nobody hears
Sweeney waits in the parlor hall, Sweeney leans on the office wall
No one can help, nothing can hide you
Isn't that Sweeney there beside you?


The elements that create him are quintessentially Victorian, but in the steam-whistle shriek that heralds his moments of manifestation and murder, the industrial design of the original production, the mechanized efficiency of his barber's chair, he's a creature of the modern age. Everywhere, anyone. He's out of time and he will never die. There is something in this characterization of the vampire: which is famously balanced between the old and the new worlds as well.

(And I get T.S. Eliot overtones, but I doubt this is an intentional intertext.)

[identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com 2008-04-11 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
(And I get T.S. Eliot overtones, but I doubt this is an intentional intertext.)

I dunno so much. I'm damn sure Sondheim's read Eliot, at least...

[identity profile] richenza.livejournal.com 2008-04-11 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello - hope you don't mind my dropping by. (was surfing friends of friends pages...)

I thought you might be interested to know that when I was in culinary school, the meatcutting instructor always selected a "volunteer" from the class to demonstrate which parts of the cow produced given cuts of meat. Hilarious and instructive, to this day it is how I remember which parts come from where.

...it's also a great teaching tool. You'd be amazed how many people don't know the difference between a round and a loin. Show 'em by poking 'em, though, and they'll remember for life.

(comparative vertebrate anatomy is cool)

[identity profile] richenza.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Well, actually... I publish economics papers. It's sort of a genre shift but it pays the same as cooking without all the BS. My last cooking job was as assistant pastry chef at a local hotel.

Butchers are a fun, macabre, weird sort of people. They tend to be large, squat, muscley people who think nothing of hauling around a half-side of beef and making puppets out of meat. Always get on the good side of your butcher. He/she probably won't actually carve you into bits, but since he/she will make no secret of the fact that he/she can, they're great persuaders when dealing with people who do not have butcher friends.

Do not piss off butchers. They wake up as early as bakers, and their practical jokes involve pig's blood.

Good times.

[identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com 2008-04-11 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
That is a great idea for a cookbook-- I know that after making that turduckenenail last Thanksgiving I knew approximately 124521 times as much about bird anatomy as I had beforehand, and also knew that I do not particularly like spending five hours elbow-deep in fowl.

Re: Sweeney: did you ever read Guy Endore's The Werewolf of Paris? Horrible clunky prose but a fascinating portrait of an old-world monster becoming absolutely irrelevant because of the onrush of the Paris Commune and modernity, but also making itself into an inextricable part of them.

[identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought so. The clunkiness actually works because part of the point of the book is a commentary on the machinery of the Gothic novel, so the more tin the ear gets, the better the commentary becomes; also there are occasional bits where his ear becomes possibly bronze instead of tin.

[identity profile] teenybuffalo.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
If I weren't a vegetarian I'd be wishing for a piece of one of those pies right now...

Yeah, I'm with you on the old-skool Sweeney Todd. (You and I both liked ST before the movie came out, so we can laugh up our sleeves at all the teenyboppers who are just in it for Johnny Depp.) (Not that he's a bad reason to be into a movie.) The demonic quality was much stronger in the Angela Lansbury/George Hearn version. I was lucky enough to watch that on DVD recently, and it really shows the character going from an individual to something awful and universal. Hey, I know--it's like in the Dalemark books, where the heroes of prehistoric Dalemark turn into the Undying over the years. Only with cannibalism.

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 10:51 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure you're right about a vegetarian pie. In fact, I think The Incredible Broccoli Forest has a recipe. (I wonder if [livejournal.com profile] teenybuffalo sees my answer or if I should call attention to it...)

[identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
Cauliflower goes mushy.

The best vegetarian "meat pie" I know is onions, potatoes, parsnips, "rutabaga" (swede) and a bit of apple.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The best vegetarian "meat pie" I know is onions, potatoes, parsnips, "rutabaga" (swede) and a bit of apple.

That sounds very good. And I'm not even a vegetarian.

I've never had a vegetarian pasty, but Golden Krust (NYC Jamaican bakery with a stand in Grand Central) used to have callaloo patties*, which were very good. Sort of like a cross between spinach and collard greens is the best way I can describe it, with a bit of spiciness; I can't say if that was the greens themselves or whatever spices they were cooked with.

*Pasty like savoury pies with a crispier crust; fillings are often curryish.

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, now I definitely want to see the original. I also kind of want to see the current version, but definitely the original.

As an only passingly related aside, handsome 44 year olds are a treat.

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I understand! And I agree.


[identity profile] teenybuffalo.livejournal.com 2008-04-14 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
A big YES to all the above. Particularly that it's not a big surprise that Depp-as-Todd turns into a mass murderer. Hearn, though... at the beginning of the show, you can believe that he's a decent guy who's been deeply injured. When he eventually loses his marbles you can hear his marbles go.

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 11:03 am (UTC)(link)
This made me go read up on Sweeny Todd (not so very much; just at Wikipedia). It was fascinating! That tale's older than I thought, and I liked reading the textual history as well as the dramatic history.

It's intriguing who ends up looming large in our cultural memory, and very very interesting how people see those figures over the years.

[identity profile] clarionj.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen any version! Now I want to see and read all versions. Thanks for the reviews/insights--I love how you open things up.

[identity profile] schreibergasse.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
re: pies: now [livejournal.com profile] straussmonster will try to force you to come to town for whenever the next pie-making is...

Cool anatomy weirdness!

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, of course I listened to Sweeney Todd all the while. What do you take me for?

Well, I take you for Sonya. So, yes, I'm not surprised. ;-)

Happy birthday to your father! And I hope the pies are as delicious as they sound.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2008-04-12 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
His actual birthday is Monday; today is Birthday Observed, but I have conveyed your wishes to him.

Ah. Thank you!

The pies came out spectacularly.

Splendid. I'm glad to hear.

We just have also a spectacular amount of leftovers . . .

Alas, if only I lived in Boston. ;-)
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[personal profile] eredien 2008-04-14 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
At the ICA they had a lovely walk-in exhibit of a barbershop that crossed Americana with Sweeney Todd. The artist wanted to put a giant barber pole on the Tate when it showed there, but they wouldn't let him, so he settled for painting a picture: "Sweeney Tate."