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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2026-01-12 11:24 pm

Am I just a phantom waiting to be ripped around on shady ground?

Running this many days without sleep, I find it hard to tell whether I had an insight about creativity this weekend or just reinvented a 101-level objection to LLMs and so-called generative AI, but it ocurred to me that such technologies are not capable of allusions. Their algorithms are not freighted with the same three-dimensional architecture of associations which accrete around information stored in the human cold porridge, all the emotional colors and sensory overtones and contextual echoes which attend the classic example of a word like tree when you throw it out across the incommensurable void between one human mind and another to be plugged into their own idiosyncratically plastic linkage of bias and experience whose least incompatibility may be the difference between a bristlecone and a birch and Wittgenstein has to lie down with a headache, but all of these entanglements form as much of the texture of a writer's style—of any human communication—as the word cloud of their vocabulary or their most commonly diagrammed sentences. It has always interested me to be able to detect the half-rhymes or skeletons of familiarity in the work of other writers; I have always assumed I am reciprocally legible if not transparent from space. I've seen arguments against the creativity of LLMs based on intentionality, but the unintended encrustrations seem just as important to me. By way of illustration, this thought was partly sparked by this classic and glorious mashup.

I was delighted to find on checking the news this morning that a new Roman villa just dropped. Given the Iron Age hillforts, the twelfth-century abbey, the Georgian country house, and the CH station, Margam Country Park clearly needed a Roman find to complete the set. I have since been informed of the discovery of a similarly well-preserved and impressive carnyx. Goes shatteringly with a villa, the Iceni tell me.

I joke about this rock I spend most of my time under, but how can I never have heard of Marlow Moss? The Bryher vibes alone. The Constructivism. And a real short king, judging by that jaunty photo c. 1937 with Netty Nijhoff. Pursuing further details, I fell over Anton Prinner and have been demoralized about my comprehension of art history ever since.

Last night I read David Copperfield (1850) for the third time in my life. It has the terrible feel of a teachable moment. In high school I bounced almost completely off it. About ten years later, I enjoyed the dual-layered narration and was otherwise mostly engaged by the language. Now it appears I just like the novel, which I have to consider may be a factor of middle age. Or I had just read the necessary bunch more of Dickens in the interval, speaking of traceable reflections, recurring figures; my favorite character has not changed since eleventh grade, but I can see now the constellation he's part of. It seems improbable that I was always reading the novel while waiting for chorus to start, but I did get through Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge (1886) in the down time of a couple of rehearsals that year. I was not taking either of the standard literature classes, but I had friends who left their assigned reading lying around.

I have to be at three different doctors' offices tomorrow. I could be over this viral mishegos any second now.
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[personal profile] troisoiseaux 2026-01-13 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
my favorite character has not changed since eleventh grade, but I can see now the constellation he's part of

Now I'm curious who your favorite character in David Copperfield is, because I know a couple other of your Dickens faves and I can't immediately think of one that matches..?
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[personal profile] troisoiseaux 2026-01-13 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Tommy Traddles

LITERALLY after typing my original comment I was like, wait, who's my favorite character in David Copperfield? and after like five minutes of being like "well it definitely isn't Steerforth, I just loved Anuerin Barnard's take on him" and trying to mentally run through the list of characters in David Copperfield and I finally realized that OH MY GOD I FORGOT TRADDLES. My biggest complaint with the otherwise delightful recent-ish movie adaptation was that there was no Traddles. Traddles is the best and I love him.

The constellation he belongs to is those characters in Dickens who are unprepossessing and always come through.

The other two characters I was thinking of were Sydney Carton and Newman Noggs, so yes, also a niche of Dickens characters with a straight route to my own heart.
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2026-01-13 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to admit that Clara Peggoty is one of my favourite fictional characters and I also have a fondness for Betsy Trotwood.

I grew up in Rochester in Kent which is absolute Dickens land.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2026-01-13 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Betsy Trotwood is an absolute icon. Love her.
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2026-01-13 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Looking at the carnyx, he said: “It’s hard to describe, but you kind of feel like it’s looking back at you. It’s quite a thing.”

Oh, I like that.
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2026-01-13 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, that's neat about the villa!

I hadn't heard of Marlow Moss either (I love that 1937 photo!)
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[personal profile] regshoe 2026-01-13 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
...Steerforth? He was my fave when I read it at about the same age, anyway :D

How cool about the Roman villa—especially that it was preserved by being beneath a later deer park rather than agricultural land (and is that Alex Langlands from the Historical Farm programmes?).
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[personal profile] regshoe 2026-01-14 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww, Traddles is a good one! (I was more of a villain fan, clearly.)
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2026-01-13 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Today is the tomorrow of your post--I hope the doctor visits are going/have gone okay. Or well, even! I hope they go well.

I've never seen a carnyx before, but I like this fragmentary one and the pictures of what they look like in use. I feel like the tones from such an item most definitely have powers....

Cookie Monster fronting Tom Waits is *excellent*. I may have to get the song. As for LLMs... they are the most straining-est, pathetic shadows that charlatans ever tried to tell us were Meaningful, Important, Beautiful things.
Edited 2026-01-13 18:31 (UTC)
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[personal profile] selkie 2026-01-13 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, you should look up videos of the carnyx being played! It's eerie!
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2026-01-13 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent idea! I shall!
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2026-01-14 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Tangential to AI/LLMs, but here is a brief, very fun interactive story game in which you are applying for a job at a fast-food place and have to take an AI-generated personality test. It's a very good satire of so many thing.
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2026-01-13 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
(Tangent vaguely associated with your first topic) It is not a new thought, or even new to me, but I have been thinking again that the fear of machines becoming sentient is essentially the fear that other people matter as much as one does to oneself, and all that implies. There is a corollary phenomenon where some people want robots to be more like humans so that they can experience a frisson of slavery. It's not enough to have a washing machine - they want a gynoid washerwoman.
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[personal profile] gwynnega 2026-01-13 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I had heard of Marlow Moss, in terms of the Mondrian stuff, but it was great to read all the details!

I have read very little Dickens (though I know A Christmas Carol pretty much by heart). I should really give him another try.
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[personal profile] a_reasonable_man 2026-01-14 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
This is one of your many posts where I learn something new, in this case about art history and archeology. Thank you!

I also really like your point about AI writing. I would say the same about AI art. (I've started to be stubborn and begun to refer to it as "machine learning." I think "Artificial Intelligence" was just marketing hype.)

I hope the best for how three doctor's appointments went.
Edited 2026-01-14 02:26 (UTC)
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[personal profile] thistleingrey 2026-01-14 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Greetings to that villa! How cool. (I knew only of the abbey--predictably.)