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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2007-08-17 01:21 am

Doesn't anybody see her at all?

I need that I ATEN'T DEAD card again. In the last few days, I have seen Blow-Up, Persona, and Stardust (2007), and I can state unequivocally that Stardust was the least weird of these three. Blow-Up reminded me strongly of early Angela Carter: I'd have cast David Hemmings as Honeybuzzard. Conversely, Persona was like something Hitchcock and Brecht might have collaborated on, except that the concern with self and silence and response is all Bergman's own. ("Faith is a torment. It is like loving someone who is out there in the darkness but never appears, no matter how loudly you call." —The Seventh Seal.) And after a slightly rocky start, Stardust was extremely fun: I may write up some of my character reactions when I'm a little less fried, but for the record I am fully in the camp of De Niro's Captain Shakespeare as awesome.

Tomorrow, oysters in Milford.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
Very glad you aten't dead.

I loved Stardust. Will be curious to hear more about what you thought--I've never read the book, and am now slightly scared, lest whatever differences might be between should prove jarring.

Tomorrow, oysters in Milford.

CT, or...? Enjoy, in any event.

[identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
I think film-to-book should be much less jarring than book-to-film.

Ah. That's good, I suppose. I was mostly concerned on account of that it was such a sweet story. If the book were much less so, I'm not sure I'd want to read it. Or at least not right now.

CT.

Ah. Nice town, there. Are you back home now?

[identity profile] setsuled.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
I ATEN'T DEAD

I'm glad.

It is like loving someone who is out there in the darkness but never appears, no matter how loudly you call.

I know the feeling . . .

And after a slightly rocky start

It felt too fast to me--like they were rushing to get to the Robert De Niro scenes. And I liked those scenes, though I'm still not sure they were in the right movie. Still, I did like the movie. But only about a tenth as much as I liked the book. There's nothing in the movie as beautiful as any one of Charles Vess's illustrations.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
I also did not love that book. Actually, I don't think I can really say I've loved anything of Gaiman's that I've read other than a couple of the short stories (and definitely Nicholas Was [ho. ho. ho.]), but I liked it, and I've liked his other work, but I don't think, when I do see it, I am going to feel like they wrecked the book.

Charles Vess on the other hand. That's love.

[identity profile] setsuled.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
once we hit those scenes, I felt as though the movie figured out what it was actually going to do

I certainly felt like it was where the director's hand was surest.

where the preceding set-pieces had been sometimes very beautiful and sometimes a little awkward

I definitely agree with that. And although I don't think Stardust is one of Gaiman's better works, I have a tendency to prefer slower, more long winded tones. I also missed the Tori Amos tree, the "fuck", and the book's ending. At least, I think I miss the book's ending--I wish I could find my copy, but I seem to remember the book having a sort of anti-"happily ever after" that I rather liked. But I could be remembering that wrong . . .

And, feel free to call me a pig, but I really think Michelle Pfeiffer was too old for the role. They needed someone very young, someone they could therefore age more flexibly.

Okay, I might agree with that. His illustrations for Stardust are breathtaking.

I think they were my favourite part of the book.
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[personal profile] darcydodo 2007-08-17 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
I am fully in the camp of De Niro's Captain Shakespeare as awesome.

Yes oh yes. I figure, even if someone is virulently opposed to the film just on the grounds that it's not and can never be the same as the book, they just have to love that bit regardless.
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[personal profile] darcydodo 2007-08-17 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh right, and actually, the person I was hypothetically referring to in that comment up there is [livejournal.com profile] novawolf, whom you should attempt to look up, because you'd probably get along very well and she's at Yale.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I was under the impression that he was playing Primus, for some reason. *shrug*

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 09:42 am (UTC)(link)
They just don't make movies as weird as they did in the 60s.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It's good to see you back in the tubes

...or maybe midgets

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Is this a possibility?

Am I going to have to bargain with goblins?

Again?

I bet it's goblins.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe I can entice you to stick around by posting more of the dead endy Rose story. Yes. I think I'll put up a third part of that now.

[identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Oysters in Milford would make a great name for a rock band.