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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2025-02-28 03:18 pm

I still feel the heat, but you've not come back yet from Watling Street

It took all week, but I finally slept. The afternoon is full of brilliant sunshine which I am about to head out into. I am observing the boycott because I see no reason not to.

I had not re-read Tanith Lee's A Heroine of the World (1989) in at least a decade. All of the air still goes out of the tires of the second half for no obviously necessary reason, but I still enjoy the intricate jewelry of the first half and this time around discovered after a few chapters that Martin Jarvis had unexpectedly cast himself as the romantic antihero, the blond-maned, bitterly charming and compromised Thenser Zavion. I have no evidence that Lee had him in mind for the part. She was relatively open about her appropriation of actors for her characters, most famously Paul Darrow in Kill the Dead (1980), although she warned in the introduction to the 2013 reprint of that novel that "I think actually only Vivien Leigh, Elizabeth Taylor, and Jacqueline Pearce remained exactly physically like themselves throughout those several Lee novels they have adorned." But he has canonically a beautiful voice and it took no effort to hear its cast-iron crust after a harrowing duel, coolly deflecting the congratulations due a hero, "I think she thinks, quite rightly, he isn't much of one."

I am charmed that the Trials of Cato's "Bedlam Boys" (2022) establishes its lineage by opening with a distorted, recognizable sample of Steeleye Span.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2025-02-28 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)

I am impressed that you can catch her internal casting. I don't think I would ever pick up on that.

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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2025-02-28 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
and Jacqueline Pearce remained exactly physically like themselves throughout those several Lee novels they have adorned."

<3<3<3

But of course she does! You couldn't do otherwise with her. Once she's walked into your head she would just rearrange it around her and find something fabulous to wear into the bargain.

that Martin Jarvis had unexpectedly cast himself as the romantic antihero, the blond-maned, bitterly charming and compromised Thenser Zavion.

Ha. XD These things will happen! It does sound like good casting for him, though. I would almost certainly have the same problem with a description like that. And, yeah, I'm sure you're right re. her own internal casting, but the man was around all the time she was writing being in some quite famous things and, as we all know by now, never off the radio. He could have crept in there a bit, you never know.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2025-02-28 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting take on "Bedlam Boys"! I liked it, but even more I liked re-listening to the Steeleye Span version. So good.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2025-02-28 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! Especially the very first w/just the drum as accompaniment.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2025-02-28 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I need to reread Heroine. It's been too long. I do remember the reticulated structure and wondering whether she'd tried too hard to make her story fit it.
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[personal profile] selkie 2025-03-01 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
“Bedlam Boys” is I think the fourth thing I heard you sing and the one that sold me on your corporeality, which the Menotti and the Lyke-Wake Dirge did not quite do.
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[personal profile] selkie 2025-03-01 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Was that the one that got into Mythic Delirium? Half your books are upstairs because they're on the Selkie, Personal shelf and half are downstairs because Eli has pilfered and poached (along with a copy of The Fire and.... that he's weirdly obsessed with because one of his camp friends took it out of his trunk this past summer and told him it was good, and super gay.
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[personal profile] thistleingrey 2025-03-01 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Yay, some sleep!
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[personal profile] selkie 2025-03-01 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh honey all his friends are camp, you were not wrong

[personal profile] anna_wing 2025-03-01 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
How fascinating! I'm still a huge fan of Blake's 7</i). Which Tanith Lee novels had someone who looked like Jacqueline Pearce?
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2025-03-01 10:47 am (UTC)(link)
Yet another reason for me to see Blake's 7: to be able to identify Jacqueline Pearce in the works of Tanith Lee.

I can't do it the other way round, because I've never quite been able to get into Tanith Lee's books - a combination of them being hard to get hold of and some of those I have being too horror-adjacent for me, so it makes it too much of a lottery to risk paying to track them down unless I'm more confident of which ones, and of course, it's been so hard to read at all this last decade and a half. I should at least keep an eye out more now that it is getting easier, because I do love both her B7 eps; they're so beautifully weird. I'm sure I'd identify Jacqueline Pearce though! (I've never used her, because one does not lightly put Servalan in something, and though I have seen her in other things, she will of course always be Servalan to me.)

I appreciate the reinforcement! I coped by rewatching "A Present from Leipzig."

Always a good thing to rewatch anyway! Btw, the current Classic Who reactor that I keep talking about will be onto Varos next week, so I'm very curious to see what she makes of it.

She did write more than once for radio, so I double-checked to see if they had ever crossed professionally, but amazingly it looks like not. He seems very much one of her types.

Oh, that's cool! I laughed aloud when I saw that it had Paul Darrow in it. That's B7 fandom for you all over. She just got to cast him for real. XD

You may appreciate that she cited J. B. Priestley as one of her earliest influences. It makes sense that she should end her one produced science fiction play with a theory of Time. I wish she had written more for radio and TV.

Oh, interesting. And me too!
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[personal profile] greenwoodside 2025-03-01 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Trials of Cato! <3 I first heard them on Radio Nan Gàidheal a year or two ago. Their band name origin story amuses me almost as much as their music delights me.
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[personal profile] umadoshi 2025-03-01 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Hooray for both sleep and sunshine! <3
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[personal profile] thistleingrey 2025-03-01 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Possibly by sleeping more I could obtain one.

:) Not twice in same river, etc., but it does seem possible! It sucks that conventional (good-quality) sleep advice makes everything sound so blandly easy.
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2025-03-01 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Understood. She was one of my formative writers. I spent much of college casually hunting her back catalogue out of used book stores. I can't believe she's been dead since 2015.

<3

I really loved one book of hers, so she's one of those authors I definitely will try more of when and if it becomes easier for me.

I've wanted to see her B7 episodes for over a quarter of a century! I should just watch them and catch up with the rest of the series when and as I can. I could possibly tell you then which of her stories they resemble.

Oh, that's weird! I was convinced we'd had a conversation about you watching them both at some point a year or so ago, Sarcophagus first, and then Sand. And then were going to, or did watch "The Way Back." Which, clearly not, then, but I can't think who else I was having that conversation with! Maybe I dreamed it. (I have done that before and not quite realised because it was something very typical like this. Or of course, it's a Time thing, in which case, you are going to enjoy them both, but fail to get very far with the series. omg, if I did, I'm having words with my subconscious!!)

Please keep me posted. I should hope they will imprint on Martin Jarvis.

I will!

The audio quality sounds as though it was taped off the air through a sponge, but he's terrific in it.

You probably need that filter for stopping him eating the microphone. XD (I've listened to all of Kaldor City! I know!! XD)
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[personal profile] greenwoodside 2025-03-02 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
They met while teaching English in Beirut and stayed with someone called Cato who didn't like the noise of them practising – hence, The Trials of Cato.
Edited 2025-03-02 07:42 (UTC)
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2025-03-02 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
Which one?

Oh, someone worked it out for me a while ago, and I've forgotten again. I think it may have been Wolf Tower or one of that series, but it's very hazy.

If it's a Time thing, I don't think it's foreclosed. It's probably just strongest that I watched any B7 at all.

I've been trying to think if I could have had that conversation with someone else, but my best conclusion is that probably we were talking about the Tanith Lee episodes one time, and then I dreamed a plausible sequel conversation. I'm sure it's not really a time thing! And I hope that should you try, you have more luck with the series itself, but obv I am biased because B7 is one of my all-time fandom faves. (I need a rewatch, but I got stopped in the last one because people (i.e. Jacqueline Pearce and Paul Darrow) kept dying when I was trying to watch "Rumours of Death" and I couldn't go on, but it's also far too good an episode to skip.)

Those Peter Cushing sketches are wonderful!