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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2023-05-08 03:28 am

All weekend, I can be your secret

I have been thinking about a passage in John Van Druten's The Voice of the Turtle (1943) for the last few days. It's a small, sincere, and sophisticated play that feels as though it has dated very little since its snapshot of the dating scene of WWII-era NYC, since it concerns a pair of strangers who over the course of a weekend find themselves trying to decide if the sex they had on short acquaintance and strong attraction is the foundation of a relationship and if so, what kind. Both have been hurt by former partners—dumped by her married lover for introducing sentiment into their affair, the heroine is trying to convince herself of the attractions of celibacy, while the hero has tried to protect himself since his similar jilting by letting himself be taken for granted as a booty call; neither tactic is generating much happiness for either of them, but the prospect of emotional as well as physical intimacy is terrifying. Their conversations are poignantly frank that women can feel sexual desire and men want love and commitment, however counter these facts run to their supposed societal roles. Since people haven't stopped wondering whether it might not be safer to break up than get their hearts broken, the conclusion has not turned saccharine with time. But there's a scene early in the first act, where the heroine is questioning her sexual normality, specifically her ability to engage in premarital sex at all, which got my attention:

"Well, do ordinary girls? I was raised to think they didn't. Didn't even want to. And what I want to know is—don't they? They don't in movies. Oh, I know that's censorship . . . but . . . the people who go and see the movies . . . are they like that too? Or don't they notice that it's all false?"

I've encountered internal references to censorship in Code-era movies, my favorite being The Gang's All Here (1943)'s magnificently metatextual "If you don't cut that out, the censors will!" It's not like no one noticed at the time. James Agee was constantly complaining about the limitations of what could be treated maturely or even just half-realistically on the screen and I imagine anyone who had paid attention through the Code transition felt similarly. It is nonetheless useful for me to receive these periodic reminders that even as I am continually parsing the world as it was strained through Hollywood from the world as inhabited by people who went to the movies, those same people were giving equally serious thought to the relationship of their pop culture to reality and the measurable distortions thereof. I am mildly, morbidly curious whether this speech survived into the chastified 1947 film, in which I am otherwise desperately uninterested; to add insult to injury, it stars Ronald Reagan. The heroine, incidentally, feels terrific object empathy for telephones that no one answers and radios no one is listening to, which hasn't dated in the least, either.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2023-05-08 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, given that the play explicitly is about extramarital sex and posits more than one occasion of it, I find it hard to believe it was even *made* into a film in the Code era. Like why bother, if the main points of the movie aren't to be talked about (not that extramarital sex is the main point, but women's sexual desire and the fact that desires for sex and commitment don't infallibly break along genital lines).

That quote you highlighted is great. About many things--not just sexual mores--I came to the conclusion that people just lied/didn't share their reality. Not out of a desire to deceive others, just because the loudly proclaimed societal norms don't match lived experience.

to add insult to injury, it stars Ronald Reagan --I laughed.

The heroine, incidentally, feels terrific object empathy for telephones that no one answers and radios no one is listening to, which hasn't dated in the least, either. --SO TRUE. And a lovely detail. And reminds me of this tweet.
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[personal profile] gwynnega 2023-05-08 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
As soon as the order of operations has been reversed from sex → relationship or even sex → love, the play just ceases to exist as itself.

This reminds me of the TV edit of the 1980 film Little Darlings. The premise of the film is that two teenage girls make a bet on who can lose her virginity first. The TV version changes the bet to which girl can get a guy to fall in love with her first. It's almost as if television of a certain era tried to resurrect the Code.
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[personal profile] gwynnega 2023-05-09 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
"I have had it with these monkey-fighting snakes on this Monday-to-Friday plane!"

My all-time favorite is in the TV version of Diary of a Mad Housewife, in which they spliced some dialogue from another part of the film so that Richard Benjamin could mutter "Carr's Water Biscuit" instead of "goddamn it."
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[personal profile] alexxkay 2023-05-09 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Most ludicrous TV-edit I've ever seen was the entirety of Brazil, which the studio attempted to make a romantic comedy out of, over Gilliam's strenuous objections.

But I think my favorite TV-edit was in Young Frankenstein, where Teri Garr's line "He must have an enormous schwanstucker" is badly dubbed (and I suspect the obvious dubbing was deliberate) to "He must have an enormous personality".
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[personal profile] oracne 2023-05-08 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
This movie sound really interesting - did you ever see A Woman There Was with Theda Bara? I found it fascinating from a cultural sexual mores aspect.
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[personal profile] oracne 2023-05-08 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oops, got the title wrong - it was A Fool There Was! She gets called a Vampire (not supernatural) and she basically seduces a guy on an ocean liner. I dug up my review of it:

"It's a silent, intended both to titillate and to warn against dangerous women. Interestingly, Bara's character has no name--she's simply called "The Vampire."

Well. I did not find Theodosia Goodman (Bara's real name) to be quite as much a vampire, i.e., vamp, as the audience was obviously meant to. C. and I kept making up little reasonable stories to explain her seemingly awful behavior towards men, because at least she had some spine.

My favorite intertitle: "Kiss me, my fool!"

Vampiric seduction technique: Theda Bara enthralls Schuyler first by having his deck chair placed next to her own, then later by dropping one of her trademark flowers. When he bends to pick it up, she lifts her skirt. Above her ankles. Twice, later on, she deflects him from returning to his wife and Adorable Daughter of the Long Curls simply by entering the room and clasping him in her arms. Did she smear her body with opium?

Favorite cultural anthropology moment: The wife of one of Schuyler's old friends finds out about him and Bara, and refuses to stay in the same hotel.

Best Evil Laugh: Bara yukking it up after a former lover shoots himself in front of her. Really, it was hysteria, because he'd done Bad Things to her...she wasn't bad, she was just acted that way."
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[personal profile] nineweaving 2023-05-09 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
I've been meaning to see A Fool There Was since before the Beatles, thanks to S. J. Perelman's "Cloudland Revisited" review of that immortal silent.

“If you were born anywhere near the beginning of the century and had access at any time during the winter of 1914–15 to thirty-five cents in cash, the chances are that after a legitimate deduction for nonpareils you blew in the balance on a movie called A Fool There Was. What gave the picture significance, assuming that it had any, was neither its story, which was paltry, nor its acting, which was aboriginal, but a pyrogenic half pint by the name of Theda Bara, who immortalized the vamp.”

"By the time the Gigantic has cleared Sandy Hook, Theda and her new conquest are making googly eyes and preparing to fracture the Seventh Commandment by sending their laundry to the same blanchisseuse in Paris."

"In London, Schuyler has already begun paying the piper; his eyes are berimmed with kohl, his step is palsied, and his hair is covered with flour. Theda, contrariwise, is thriving like the green bay tree, still tearing up his correspondence and wrestling him into embraces that char the woodwork. Their idyl is abruptly cut short by a waspish cable from the Secretary of State, which reads, in a code easily decipherable to the audience, 'ON ACCOUNT OF YOUR DISGRACEFUL CONDUCT, YOU ARE HEREBY DISMISSED.'”

“Six months of revelry and an overzealous makeup man have left their stamp on the Fool when we again see him; the poor chap is shipping water fast. He reels around the mansion squirting seltzer at the help and boxing with double-exposure phantoms.”

“'So some of him lived,' comments a final sepulchral title, 'but the soul of him died.' And over what remains, there appears a grinning presentment of Miss Bara, impenitent and sleek in black velvet and pearls, strewing rose petals as we fade out.”

They don't make 'em like that any more.

Nine


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[personal profile] nineweaving 2023-05-09 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
I admire Perelman's film writing very much.

Not too shabby as a screenwriter, either.

Nine
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[personal profile] nineweaving 2023-05-09 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
And speaking of screenwriters, I love how Perelman first encountered Aldous Huzxley, while under the lash of a relentless realtor.


“Up we trudged through an endless circuit of corridors, and eventually, with a triumphant bleat, she threw open a door. There, in the middle of a hexagonal room lined with mirrors, crouched my hero, myopically pecking at a Hermes portable. As he caught sight of us, he sprang upright, defensively clutching the machine to his breast in a flutter of yellow second sheets that swirled about him like leaves. For an aeon, the three of us hung there confronting genius at bay reflected from every known angle. Then Mrs. Pandora broke the spell.

“‘Thank you, Mr. Hochspiel,’ she chirruped. ‘Well, that’s the upstairs powder room.’”


Nine
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[personal profile] lokifan 2023-05-13 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Fascinating!