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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2022-07-19 04:56 am

I dreamed I had some kind of magic

I have not yet read Rebecca Stott's Dark Earth (2022), but the mention of a female smith in a frame of Arthuriana made me think of Jane Yolen's "Evian Steel," which I have to hand at the moment in her collection Merlin's Booke (1986). Of course I re-read the entire collection to get to it and in the process was struck by a line in "Dream Reader" wherein Merlin's second sight is explained as an inheritance from his mother, more political and more perilous than her woman's dreams bounded by love and domesticity; it is a lie in Yolen, but the truth in Mary Stewart's The Crystal Cave (1970), in consequence of which I have just begun on The Hollow Hills (1973). I can remember reading these books for the first time; they were not my first Arthuriana—I can't even remember what was—but they mapped themselves so firmly to the inside of my head that I still have to remember sometimes that whatever shifting mosaic is called the Matter of Britain does not always feature the son of Aurelius Ambrosius or the sword of Macsen Wledig. Post-Roman Britain as a kind of post-apocalyptic landscape follows naturally on the notion of the Dark Ages, but it interests me that it seems to feature as sfnally in Stott as in Stewart and Sutcliff, even in Tanith Lee, cf. "Draco, Draco" (1984): "But since the Eagles flew, there are kingdoms everywhere, chiefs, war-leaders, Roman knights, and every tide brings an invasion up some beach. Under it all, too, you can feel the earth, the actual ground, which had been measured and ruled with fine roads, the land which had been subdued but never tamed, beginning to quicken. Like the shadows that come with the blowing out of a lamp." Perhaps she too grew up on The Lantern Bearers (1959). The other day I met a kid who told me that he loves science fiction, but is bored with history. I told him that history is often taught boringly, as a laundry list of dates rather than any kind of structure, the scaffolding of how we got here. (Isn't the house you were born in the most interesting house in the world for you?) I did not tell him, because it really wasn't what he was saying, that the idea of a future slashed entirely free of the past frightens rather than appeals to me because I don't associate it with visionaries and reinvention, it reminds me of control and denial and fantasies intended to overwrite fact, how little time it takes to build on falsehood like foundation sacrifice. Because I haven't read the book, I don't know if Stott's Arthuriana figures river-decaying Londinium itself as the tower that will not stand, but if not, then I hope someone's does. It sounds like a job for M. John Harrison or Iain Sinclair. I just write about fisher kings. Yolen closes her book of changes on the myth of Merlin with a familiar image which in the last quarter of the twentieth century is less clear-cut in its prophecy than the failing cressets of Roman civilization, besides which it is healthy to be skeptical of narratives that claim that darkness flooded in when empire moved out: "Light . . . I saw light. And darkness coming on." And we light candles for memory and keep writing about times that no one remembers except the dead, which is all of them, eventually, and I hope I am not returning to these stories now because they are about shoring fragments, even when the dream always splinters in the end.
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[personal profile] selkie 2022-07-19 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
I saw a Bit of the Internet from the point of view of a post-Roman publican somewhere in Britannia: sure, we wish the running water hadn’t stopped, and we miss the wine from the skinny-necked jugs, but there’s nothing to do but get on with the business of caring for one another; I meant to screenshot it for you, even, but I can’t find it if I did. *hugs*

…if you are keeping a red and a white dragon in the summer kitchen with the black cats please do not tell me.
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2022-07-19 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Could this thread be what you were thinking of?
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[personal profile] selkie 2022-07-19 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! Wow, thank you! That’s brilliant.
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[personal profile] selkie 2022-07-19 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
It’s just, gentlethem, someone needs to have plausible deniability about the scorched grass around the reservoir and where your niece has gone for the summer and that cow tibia on the lawn
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[personal profile] selkie 2022-07-19 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
And he was believed.
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[personal profile] selkie 2022-07-19 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Who would ever have thought your niece was being fed to them? I figured your niece was culpable for them!
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2022-07-20 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Love this
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2022-07-19 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
I assumes you were born at home (I was quite surprised to learn that I was).
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[personal profile] lauradi7dw 2022-07-19 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
Have you read any of Jack Whyte's Camulod Chronicles series?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dream_of_Eagles
I liked them when they were new, but am too tired to say anything coherent.
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[personal profile] mrissa 2022-07-19 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
My best history professor started my first class with him (on Tudor/Stuart England) with, "If you don't read science fiction, you need to start now, because that's the mindset you need to cultivate to study history." And went on to explain that these were people with human nature like ours but extremely different cultural context, so one would need to be comfortable with thinking about how cultural context shaped motivation and action in order to really understand historical figures.

I loved him so much. We all did; one of my friends adopted him as a grandfather for friend's child.
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[personal profile] mrissa 2022-07-19 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
(My mental shorthand when I found out Jon had adopted him as his kids' grandparent was, "Oh! He became Jon's Greer!" Which is one you will understand. Also I think he would like Greer, and not just on the grounds of people I like liking each other.)
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[personal profile] thistleingrey 2022-07-19 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
That's excellent. I wish he'd been able to address the people who asked me why I was studying the past instead of doing ethnic-niche lit, as though one's heritage gave one a direct line either way, no analysis or viewpoint-querying needed--but I'm glad he said it at all!
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[personal profile] starlady 2022-07-19 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Just the other day I was thinking of Guinivere's line in The Winter Prince about how she hates living in an age of endings. Same girl, same.

This is a comic, but have you read Kieron Gillen and Dan Mora's Once and Future by any chance? It's finishing soon, and it's a dark horror take on Brexit by way of Arthuriana and I've thoroughly enjoyed it.
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[personal profile] starlady 2022-07-20 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
It's really good, Gillen has stuck the landing on all of his other excellent comics so far so I am not worried.

I guess I should say, if you haven't read any of his work, Gillen is obsessed with stories and narrative and what telling them does to us as humans. And Once and Future is one part the story of the Matter of Britain as a horror story, rex quondam rexque futurus as a literal threat, because Arthur comes back as a semi-revenant monster and it's up to a monster-hunting granny, her grandson who plays Percival (and other people, later on, because it draws in more stories too, like Beowulf), and others to try to stop him, and Merlin, and everyone else who is stuck in the story and can't stop it.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2022-07-20 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Under it all, too, you can feel the earth, the actual ground, which had been measured and ruled with fine roads, the land which had been subdued but never tamed, beginning to quicken. --YES. This feeling, the aliveness of the earth, I treasure.

the idea of a future slashed entirely free of the past frightens rather than appeals to me because I don't associate it with visionaries and reinvention, it reminds me of control and denial and fantasies intended to overwrite fact, how little time it takes to build on falsehood like foundation sacrifice. --Oh man. Yeah. how little time it takes to build on falsehood like foundation sacrifice should be a line from a song. I can almost hear the music.

I just write about fisher kings. ♥ ♥ ♥

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[personal profile] genarti 2022-07-20 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not totally sure of my first Arthuriana -- mostly general pop culture osmosis, I think, and Disney's The Sword and the Stone somewhere along the line. But the first Arthuriana that really stuck with me was 1) a book of Celtic tales that had things like Arthur and his knights all charging out hunting after a giant boar with a magic comb on his back, nary a love triangle in sight, and 2) The Crystal Cave. And 3) The Dark Is Rising et al, of course. Merlin son of Aurelius Ambrosius is the standard I judge all Merlins by, even today, which is a difficulty given that most Merlins are not in any way attempting to be him or even in the same mood-genre as him.

(I read The Hollow Hills, but liked it less well because it had more incest and court politics, and then as the love triangle and general doom of Camelot hove into view in, as I recall, the start of The Last Enchantment, I closed the book and went back to reread The Crystal Cave again. I've been meaning to reread the whole trilogy, and finish it this time, now that I'm an adult with at least slightly more patience with doomed love triangles rather than a teenager who really just wanted an entire trilogy of the first book, because I'm curious about how it all plays out.)

It all made later encounters with Arthuriana that owed more to Malory and White difficult, however, since I kept wanting them to be stories they emphatically were not: all numinousness and boars out of ancient legend, if you please, said younger I.

I 100% agree with you about a future slashed entirely free of the past. However, for what it's worth, I too was a kid who loved science fiction (and fantasy) but was bored with history, despite my parents' valiant attempts to get us all enthralled with it via books and antiques and trips to living history museums and so on and so forth. Then I had some better teachers and grew up and discovered that actually, history is fascinating! And horrible and wonderful and layered and a weight under everything! Here's hoping the epiphany will come for this kid as well.