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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2021-06-02 03:14 pm

They opened my eye to the beautiful light and showed me

[personal profile] reconditarmonia just reminded me of the existence of Esther Eng, the butch Cantonese-American filmmaker and restaurateur who was the first female director of Chinese-language films in both the U.S. and Hong Kong and may be relevant to some of your interests on grounds of dapper alone.



"Eng dressed in men's attire and was quite open about her several lesbian relationships. The latter was especially closely followed and reported on by the Hong Kong media. Sophisticated magazine editors often referred to her romantic interests as her 'bosom friend' and 'good sister.' Perhaps because all-female opera troupes with male-impersonating actresses were quite popular in the 1930s, Eng's appearance and relationships did not cause much controversy."

That record scratch you are hearing is my complete ignorance of all-female Cantonese opera in 1930's Hong Kong—and beyond; further research is obviously required—followed by the lurching to speed of my surprise that I haven't been recommended the romance novel already.

Two out of Eng's eleven films survive. I have seen neither; I had read of them, but I had never made the connection that her American films of the '40's fill the gap between Dorothy Arzner and Ida Lupino. I shall hope the rest turn up in closets in Argentina or permafrost in Canada. History is more fragile than nitrate.
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2021-06-02 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
all-female Cantonese opera in 1930's Hong Kong
I wonder if it also influenced the Takarazuka Revue in Japan, although the latter pre-dates the 1930s and does a lot of Western-influenced musicals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takarazuka_Revue
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[personal profile] swan_tower 2021-06-03 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
I also instantly thought of Takarazuka! Good to know that others are already aware of their amazingness. :-D
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2021-06-02 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Neat!

Sophisticated magazine editors often referred to her romantic interests as her 'bosom friend' and 'good sister.'

After seeing the different translations of 知己 in a show I recently finished (the subtitles use 'soulmate', Netflix's summary decided on 'bosom friend' for some reason) I'm kinda curious what wording they used.
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2021-06-03 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
I gather that translating 知己 as 'bosom friend' isn't technically wrong as much as an odd choice (especially since it doesn't line up with the subtitles), and might be the least inaccurate part of the summary tbh.

Cool! And yeah that does look like the relevant section. My linguistic skills outside of English are basically limited to sticking stuff in online dictionaries, but it does seem like 密友 and 知己 can be used in similar ways.
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2021-06-03 12:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The Netflix summary (for Word of Honor) at the moment is: 'A disillusioned royal magistrate sets out for the martial arts world, where he encounters a bosom friend and becomes entangled in a conspiracy.'

If I was writing a non-spoilerly blurb, I'd go with something along the lines of: 'An assassin quits his job and plans to spend the remaining three years of his life drinking and wandering. He meets a mysterious gentleman and his ward, ending up rescuing an orphan, and in the process finds reasons to live.'

This and this (which are somewhat spoilerly re: the second protagonist's identity) also give a better sense of the show.

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[personal profile] laura47 2021-06-04 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
Word of honor is also some of the gayest shit i've seen in a long tv show, the romance is overpowering, they stare into each other's eyes and china's censorship sure is uneven. it's. it's just so incredibly gay. even more so if you know some specifically chinese queer coding (like the term "cut sleeves" which actually has a very sweet origin). It is an adaptation of an explicitly gay chinese novel, Faraway Wanderers (天涯客) by Priest.

i think WoH is summed up well in "why can't i be the antagonist *and* the love interest"

meanwhile, man oh man have i thought a lot about 知己 (zhī jǐ)! the translation i use when discussing this is "the one who truly knows you", but omg there's so much and it's great. this is an excellent post by someone who majored in ancient china but spoils the untamed. if anyone is curious about the contents and doesn't want spoilers, i can grab some quotes. :)

https://hunxi-guilai.tumblr.com/post/612161034673946624/all-right-guys-lets-have-a-conversation-about

[disclaimer: i am a white person who got into chinese dramas in the fall and like learning things about things i like.]
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[personal profile] sartorias 2021-06-03 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
There was an utterly stunning series about Peking opera last year called WINTER BEGONIA. Apparently they really did their homework. I forget, but I think they might have interacted with other styles, I know there were references to them. It was set in the mid to late thirties. Two standout characters, the lead male who plays female roles on stage, and a female mountain brigand captain.
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2021-06-03 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
*reminds self to move this up on my to-watch list*
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[personal profile] trascendenza 2021-06-03 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this, super relevant to my interests!! What a dreamboat *____*
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[personal profile] gwynnega 2021-06-03 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
I had never heard of her! I want to see her films.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2021-06-03 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
or permafrost in Canada. History is more fragile than nitrate.

That reminds me, did you ever watch "Dawson City: Frozen in Time"?

Please write a romance novel about that, tho.
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[personal profile] skygiants 2021-06-04 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
asjdk;fjkd a DREAM BOOK about a DREAMBOAT
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[personal profile] oracne 2021-06-03 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
VERY dapper.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2021-06-04 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
She is very stylish! And I like the idea of something turning up in Argentina or Canada. I am imagining you with a world map and some darts as you pick locales...
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[personal profile] laura47 2021-06-04 06:52 am (UTC)(link)
I almost watched a hong kong movie about opera last week! i wanted to, but we ran out of time after the first film in our planned Tsui Hark double header. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsui_Hark


"The film is set in 1913 Beijing, during Yuan Shikai's presidency of the country. It depicts the adventures of a team of unlikely heroines: Tsao Wan (Brigitte Lin), a patriotic rebel who dresses as a man; Sheung Hung (Cherie Chung), a woman in search of a missing box of jewels; and Bai Niu (Sally Yeh), the daughter of a Peking Opera impresario."

"Quentin Tarantino refers to Peking Opera Blues as "one of the greatest films ever made""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_Opera_Blues
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[personal profile] laura47 2021-06-04 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
where i was watching it is probably not very useful to you - in an empty seminar room at U Cincinnati, off of DVD. I just assumed i could find it online because... films... should be online? oops, i was just talking to friends tonight about trying to watch it. :-(

the first film was "A Chinese Ghost Story", produced by the producer/director of "peking opera blues". i strongly suspect i would have enjoyed peking opera blues more - but i went in asking to see some foundational/etc works of wuxia film, and it was! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Chinese_Ghost_Story
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[personal profile] thawrecka 2021-06-04 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
I shall have to look up Eng's work!