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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2020-03-07 05:52 pm

Dialogue and industry and August in the thirties

A handful of links, while I recover from yesterday's party. Warning that one of them is serious.

1. The man interviewed in this article is my brother's oldest and closest friend; he is family. I've known for years what he's dying of and how badly the VA handled it. I didn't know how unique his case wasn't. Strength to his arm: "What's killing Staff Sergeant Wesley Black? The VA doesn't want to talk about it."

2. For fans of the apocalyptically unclassifiable Millennium (1996–99), there is now a documentary revisiting the series: Millennium After the Millennium (2020). At the moment it only appears to exist on iTunes, but maybe a DVD will come along and improve my life.

3. Courtesy of [personal profile] handful_ofdust: I love this triptych of goddesses, but especially the Hel-faced rendering of Melinoë. When I wrote her mythology into a scene of the unfinished (and at this stage likely never to be finished) sequel to "The Mirror of Venus," I did the same thing myself.

4. Speaking of the ancient world, [personal profile] selkie asked for my opinion on yonic hamantashn. My opinion was uh. The etymological connection between the names of Esther and Ištar is not contested. (Ask me about the Greek variants attested in the catacombs of Beit She'arim!) Neither is the fact that hamantashn very likely have nothing to do linguistically with Haman. I can't seriously accept the notion of the hamantash as the secret matriarchal cookie of the great mother goddess without a lot more baked continuity between the Babylonian Exile and eighteenth-century Germany. The ritual cakes presumed from the Old Babylonian Mari molds would make more compelling antecedents if they were shaped like pubic triangles instead of whole voluptuous women. The association of poppy and other seeds with the holiday is not halachically attested until the thirteenth century CE. And I know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but absolutely everything about rabbinic Judaism leads me to believe that if we'd had hoo-ha-shaped Purim cakes since antiquity, someone would have argued about it in the Talmud. The entire thesis reminds me a little awkwardly of D.H. Lawrence and the significance of the duck and is the sort of thing that leaves me wondering if I overreacted to someone's joke, except it really didn't read like one. Anyway, I am about fine with the placement of Carthage on this alignment chart.

5. I was reminded by this article that I read several of Gene Stratton-Porter's novels as a child: Freckles (1904) and A Girl of the Limberlost (1909) made the most impression on me, but I also remember The Harvester (1911) and The Keeper of the Bees (1925). The latter may in fact have furnished one of my early models in genderqueerness in the character of the tough, affectionate, assertively androgynous "little Scout": "The only definite conclusion [Jamie MacFarlane, the protagonist] arrived at was that sometimes he was a boy and sometimes she was a girl." Asked point-blank, the little Scout declares, "If you can't tell, it doesn't make a darn bit of difference, does it?" Inevitably the novel does answer the biological question, but at least does not demand that the character give up doing any of the gender-non-conforming things they love. I didn't know until this article that "Gene" was short for "Geneva"—I knew two Genes growing up and both were male. The article mentions that she had to be wrestled into dresses at age eleven; that as an adult she could be often found in pants. She made her own reputation and money. In 1886, she married and kept her own name. It is probably facile to think of the little Scout as a self-insert, but it did suddenly jump out at me that when Jamie finally learns their name, it clears up nothing because it's "Jean."
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[personal profile] coraline 2020-03-07 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: hamantaschen: thank you. I completely agree but had no historical cred to back it up. It's nice to see someone who has a lot more than me go "ummmmm"...
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[personal profile] rosefox 2020-03-07 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Having been reminded by [personal profile] lannamichaels that Mordecai is Esther's cousin (the text specifies that she's his uncle's daughter) and adoptive father, I now can't take seriously any bit of "scholarship" that calls him her uncle.

Thanks for the article on Stratton-Porter! I loved A Girl of the Limberlost as a kid, and still liked it quite a lot upon a recent reread. Your description of Scout makes me want to pick up The Keeper of the Bees.
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2020-03-08 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
The Keeper of the Bees is a very, very, very odd book in a lot of ways. Laddie seems more normal on the surface but is also rather peculiar. GSP reminds me a bit of Heinlein -- that voice of certainty.
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[personal profile] lemon_badgeress 2020-03-07 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
i’m glad that article mentions ‘her father’s daughter’ although it considerably understates how vilely racist and nationalist it is. i picked it up cold and i tell you that ‘a girl of the limberlost’ has been one of MY books for three quarters of my life and yet after reading the other i don’t know if i can bring myself to touch anything by her ever again. NOT RECOMMENDED.
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[personal profile] lemon_badgeress 2020-03-08 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
i’ve read three others! i didn’t think she was like this! but hfd is full on screaming jingoistic screed about how it’s the duty of every white person in america to marry and have al least six children so the lesser colored races don’t outbreed them and take over the world! that belongs to white people! who are better! because only white people have brains capable of thinking of new things! AAAAAAAAAAH
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[personal profile] lemon_badgeress 2020-03-08 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
how.....how puzzling indeed. i mean, by modern standards that’s terrible, but i would never think the same person wrote both. thank you so much for sharing that with me.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-03-08 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Ask me about the Greek variants attested in the catacombs of Beit She'arim!

Do tell.
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-03-08 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Research: the nerd gift that keeps on giving!
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-03-18 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
(Catching up) Neat. Thanks!
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[personal profile] ironymaiden 2020-03-08 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
thanks so much for sharing the Gene Stratton-Porter article. i first encountered her in my grandparents' copy of Keeper of the Bees.

in the years before Gutenberg, she was out of print except for at the museum in Indiana - it was a great treat to get a new-to-me copy of one of her books when my parents came back from visiting my uncle who lived nearby.
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-03-08 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
Being somewhat a connoisseur and devotee of poppy pockets, I felt the article had a lot to answer for. I’d even give the author Mordche::Marduk! But it all seemed so tidy and... I dunno, as I said, even harmless fake news is too much fake news.

Edit: I was going to make it a separate comment, but OH I HAVE SOME TOPICAL ITCH CREAM FOR THE VA HEALTH FOLKS.
Edited 2020-03-08 01:36 (UTC)
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[personal profile] choco_frosh 2020-03-08 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
I've known for years what he's dying of and how badly the VA handled it. I didn't know how unique his case wasn't.

;(

but absolutely everything about rabbinic Judaism leads me to believe that if we'd had hoo-ha-shaped Purim cakes since antiquity, someone would have argued about it in the Talmud.

< nods >
Edited 2020-03-08 01:55 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lemon_badgeress 2020-03-08 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
and having remembered to call me back and read the first article, which i flinched from....jesus wept. that is horrifying.
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[personal profile] rushthatspeaks 2020-03-08 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
I am generally good with that alignment chart, but dammit, the Hittites were gother than that. I'd put the Hittites directly on the Goth/Prep borderline, myself.
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[personal profile] rushthatspeaks 2020-03-08 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
people with brain-melting amounts of paperwork and also the Standard Inscription of Aššurnaṣirpal II

I suspect them of being the PTA.
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[personal profile] selkie 2020-03-08 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this tracks. It’s also why Spouse is closing out three years as PTA treasurer and no years as president-elect or president.
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[personal profile] sholio 2020-03-08 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
I've never even heard of Gene Stratton-Porter - thank you for the link!

The one at the top - I'm very sorry this has happened to your brother's friend. That's awful.
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2020-03-08 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
—I knew two Genes growing up and both were male.

Then there’s Gene Tierney, the actress, but I think I read somewhere she was named after an uncle.
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[personal profile] landofnowhere 2020-03-08 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the Gene Stratton-Porter article! I read and loved A Girl of the Limberlost at age 11 when on a road trip with my aunt and cousin, and remember being sad that I didn't quite get to finish it. I then forgot if for years, but reread it a couple years ago thanks to someone on Dreamwidth (I think [personal profile] osprey_archer). I had never heard of The Keeper of the Bees, that sounds fascinating.
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[personal profile] phi 2020-03-08 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
I read the first link, and am horrified and enraged. Augh.

I got lost less than halfway through the post on yonic hamantaschen. I don't know whether the author was going for an elaborate joke or not, but it's definitely painfully seld-conscious writing.
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Millennium After the Millennium

[personal profile] jack_ryder 2020-03-08 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
2. For fans of the apocalyptically unclassifiable Millennium (1996–99), there is now a documentary revisiting the series: Millennium After the Millennium (2020). At the moment it only appears to exist on iTunes, but maybe a DVD will come along and improve my life.

The blu-ray is certainly available. I ordered it from here
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[personal profile] mrissa 2020-03-08 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
I am so sorry about your family friend Wesley's situation and also how our government caused it and is not getting him the care he needs as a vet.

Reading the article, I was hit by a choking wave of "you told me, Mom, you told me," because I was raised by people who remembered what quagmire means and know one when they see one--and know the aftereffects too. And that there's a kid in your social circles who's going to have to deal with the next generation equivalent of what my friends who had parents with Agent Orange exposure dealt with is...

I will eventually get to alignment and Porter and all the other things. But first just this, first only this. So much sympathy. So much solidarity.
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2020-03-08 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh on what your friend's story reveals. I was less than impressed with General Petraeus in that article. "We did raise concerns about this at the time." He was the theatre commander for all allied forces in Iraq, then commander of CENTCOM/commander of all US forces in Afghanistan. He could have stopped it dead any time he liked.

For fans of the apocalyptically unclassifiable Millennium (1996–99)

Ah, Frank Black!

And I know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but absolutely everything about rabbinic Judaism leads me to believe that if we'd had hoo-ha-shaped Purim cakes since antiquity, someone would have argued about it in the Talmud.

And probably a tradition of jokes about eating them, and archaeological graffiti.

I didn't know until this article that "Gene" was short for "Geneva"—I knew two Genes growing up and both were male.

I would have guessed Geneva falls in the Celtic Guinevere/Jennifer group, but on googling apparently it's in the Germanic Jenever/Gin group instead ;) (it's the old Germanic for Juniper). And having looked that one up I checked Gene/Eugene, assuming it would match one of them, whereas instead it's literally Greek for good people.
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2020-03-18 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
No problem.

I was familiar with Jenever through Poul Anderson's Nicholas Van Rijn stories.
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