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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2019-07-15 03:15 pm

That makes the searing brightness of the day serve only just to blind them

So far today I have called several doctors and am hoping not to have to fight with my insurance, since that would be absolutely a fun time right now. Have some further Readercon flotsam.

1. In the general department of getting used to my face, I feel I might look less like an effigy if my eyes weren't closed, but I'm still glad [personal profile] spatch in his Twitter-searching ran across this photo. (I believe we were all listening to teri.zin saying something resonant and smart.)

2. For [personal profile] ashnistrike: the point is not that I didn't get placed on this panel at Readercon, the point is that I liked my answer to the question of what anti-fascist aesthetics might look like and since I didn't get a chance to field-test it on a captive audience, I'm field-testing it on a captive audience.

I don't believe that I have a silver bullet for fascism any more than the next person who would like a road map out of our new international nightmare, but the deep unreal nostalgia of it has struck me more than once; as an aesthetic it is so dependent on imaginary constructions of the past (Aryan purity, Roman nationalism, Little England, MAGA) that just the act of remembering the world as it was can feel like radical pushback. Fascism sells simple stories: this is what a real person looks like. That's the source of your troubles, all of them right there. In the good old days, everyone knew their place. Anti-fascism reminds of the complexity, the plurality of the historical past as well as the present—the women who fought, the men who wept, the non-white civilizations, the queerness everywhere. Fascism is sleek and seamless and streamlined, there's a reason it ate the Italian Futurists alive: it buffs the surface to such a high gloss, who'd want to look under the hood? I would expect anti-fascism to turn over every rock it can get, to show you the moving parts, the structures, the intricacy and the work of being alive. When fascism trumpets that only the fittest survive, anti-fascism should note Darwin's theory of sexual selection—in which aesthetics and female choice play far more of a part than simple survivalism—and be aggressively kind. It might be a cut-up aesthetic, a lot of it might be handmade, it should never be so artisanal that it disappears up its own gentrification and never anti-intellectual, because fascism hates thinking. It should know how to listen. It should value what Bundism called doikayt—hereness, the world we live in, the world we share—over some narrow brutal dream that never even was real. What would that look like in speculative fiction? It might look like the space opera of Yoon Ha Lee, the secondary-world fantasy of Rose Lemberg, the cosmic horror of Ruthanna Emrys. Niceness is optional, compassion a must. Above all, because fascism is such an aesthetic of hatred and fear, anti-fascism should welcome the Other, which is what each of us is to one another anyway. Anti-fascist aesthetics certainly looked like Le Guin.

3. I believe this is the line I was trying to remember from Lloyd Alexander's The Beggar Queen (1984): "'The world is absurd,' Keller told Sparrow. 'Thank heaven for that. Otherwise, I—we, that is—would have no occupation.'"
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[personal profile] gloss 2019-07-15 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, I hope it's okay to comment here? I'm procrastinating by reading my DW network page.

I just wanted to say that I flat-out LOVE your elaboration of what anti-fascist aesthetics can look like, especially this: Niceness is optional, compassion a must. And the reference to Darwin on sexual selection. I know I'll be thinking about your words *a lot*. Thank you so much for posting.
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From Doctor Who:

[personal profile] dewline 2019-07-15 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
"Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind."

From Twelve's exit advice to Thirteen.
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2019-07-15 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Some Futurists were, of course, dyed in the wool fascists, which is why such an important artistic movement tends to remain the mad uncle in the attic of art history.

Tom Marinetti could never understand why it was Mussolini, not him, who was Duce.
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[personal profile] moon_custafer 2019-07-16 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, pasta is archeological worms that will turn your insides into a museum, ok?

(I do wonder if the War On Pasta was really about not having to import wheat, the way the promotion of synthetic wool made from milk proteins was about finding a use for leftover skim milk while simultaneously building up Italy's textile industries).
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[personal profile] yhlee 2019-07-15 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Best wishes on the medical front. *support support*
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[personal profile] labingi 2019-07-15 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a really beautiful statement. Would you be okay with my linking to it via Facebook/Twitter?
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[personal profile] labingi 2019-07-17 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Done. By the way, love your I, Claudius icon.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2019-07-16 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
I love and endorse this.

. It should value what Bundism called doikayt—hereness, the world we live in, the world we share—over some narrow brutal dream that never even was real. YES
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[personal profile] gwynnega 2019-07-16 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
That is a beautiful statement.
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[personal profile] nineweaving 2019-07-16 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
Beautifully stated. Thank you.

Nine
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[personal profile] sara 2019-07-16 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
I have always rather thought that doing history the way I do it is fundamentally a radical (which now means anti-fascist) act.
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[personal profile] sara 2019-07-16 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. That's sort of one of those conversations I'm more able to have in a non-public space...the short answer is, in as decolonizing and reclamatory a manner as I can manage.
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[personal profile] heron61 2019-07-16 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Those are exceedingly wise and powerful words about anti-fascism, I entirely agree that we're team compassion, complexity, and diversity
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2019-07-16 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm field-testing it on a captive audience.

It is a good thing, says this bit of the field. (Am too tired to say more, but yes.)
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[personal profile] kore 2019-07-16 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
That is a beautiful answer.
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[personal profile] lemon_badgeress 2019-07-16 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
i really approve of the content but and since I didn't get a chance to field-test it on a captive audience, I'm field-testing it on a captive audience made me laugh out loud which i shouldn’t have done while reading on my phone on the clock >_>

damned doctors. :(
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[personal profile] dramaticirony 2019-07-16 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Those are all great things to include in an anti-fascist aesthetic. And there's enough there some that one could riff one strand off against another.

"Sleek and seamless and streamlined" reminded me of the research that shows the connection between the disgust response and authoritarianism, the philosopher Martha Nussbaum's work examining how disgust at our physical natures gets projected and used in structures of oppression against women, the disabled, Dalits, homosexuals, and others. And there is, of course, Trump's well known, self admitted, germ phobia.

In a ruthless way, I can't help but wonder if a useful strand of anti-fascist aesthetic would be to code authoritarian characters and ideas in ways that evoke pollution, contamination, and unpleasant elements of being physically embodied beings.It might be nobler, of course, to reclaim the body and "what is", and less painful/problematic to avoid using against fascists the sort of rhetoric they instinctively grasp at.

But if authoritarian views can be predicted by intensity of physiological reactions to body odor or disgusting images, it seems counterproductive, at least, to default to portraying fascists in the modes they prefer: rows of gleaming white stormtroopers, sleek black leather outfits modeled on the the designs of Hugo Boss. And isn't it arguably more humane to lead people instinctively fixated with concerns of cleanliness and contamination away from bad ideas?

Of course, weaponizing descriptive language or cinematic images probably fits more on the realm of memetic warfare than aesthetics.
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[personal profile] dramaticirony 2019-07-16 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I am generally in favor of the body being what the body is (even if the body doesn't work very well) and not rhetoricizing it as icky from whatever direction, because that just seems to lead to problems in the long run.

You are almost certainly right. Still, there may be some space to show fascists as gassy, sloppy, with mustard stains on their wrinkled clothes, sweating. If Mel Brooks is correct that getting people to laugh at fascists is a good thing, perhaps one could prioritize the types of humor that we otherwise don't find objectionable, but which hits their hot buttons.

And, in political rhetoric, one might lean harder into perfectly true observations that serve to alienate them from their constituency.Their policies poisoned Flint's drinking water. Their deregulation means that polluters will contaminate the air you breath. Their cruel desire to keep people from accessing healthcare spreads disease.

ashnistrike just had to remind another panelist that the Nazis were not in fact fearsomely efficient

I'm increasingly sorry I missed this panel. But having too many good choices is part of the charm of Readercon.
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[personal profile] dramaticirony 2019-07-17 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
> That's good and that is true. Share it somewhere that isn't just my comments.

I shall, and I apologize for getting carried away and using you comments as a composition book!
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[personal profile] drwex 2019-07-16 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
<3 <3 <3

That paragraph on anti-fascist aesthetic is poetic and brilliant and deserves to be the core of a slam poem. Linking Darwinism to Bundism to Le Guin by way of space opera and other sfnal genres is brilliant.

Also, I'm absolutely stealing "Niceness is optional, compassion a must." Should I credit this name or your writer publication name?
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[personal profile] sabotabby 2025-04-20 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh fuck yes, this is perfect.
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[personal profile] sabotabby 2025-04-21 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesomecakes!