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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2013-08-05 01:32 am

Shake it up, Mr. Lyon. Shake it up

I wasn't expecting him, but I am perfectly fine with Peter Capaldi as the Twelfth Doctor. He's not a chameleon, except insofar as he's shockingly young in Local Hero (1983) if you noticed him first in Torchwood (2009), but he's an actor I watch out for. The Angel Islington, John Frobisher, Danny Oldsen, Angus Flint, Malcolm Tucker, Randall Brown; I'll be very curious to see what he does with this role. Especially if it means I get to see him and John Hurt in scenes together.

[identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
Did you see the BBC adaptation of Iain Banks' The Crow Road? Capaldi's in that too, and well worth watching.

[identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
Brilliant choice.

Nine

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 08:00 am (UTC)(link)
I continue to be sad that they don't go with a more radical choice, now that it's been established that Time Lords can change both sex and ethnicity (at least as it's perceived in human terms). Not surprised, mind you, and I'm sure Capaldi will be fine -- but sad.

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
Back before they cast Matt Smith as Eleven, there was talk of Patterson Joseph, and I would have been entirely behind that. Idris Elba would have been another great choice. Or, or, or . . . .

I read your comments on Capaldi above, and they give me reason to be interested. (I've seen him in too little before now to have an opinion one way or another.) Prior to reading that, however, my reaction could best be summed up as "eh."

[identity profile] kraada.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
My only issue with him is that the same actor has already been cast in the DW universe - in Children of Earth - and not in a bit part kind of way. I'm sure I'll be totally fine with him after a little while, just, it makes things a little strange.

Though they could do something fun by having him meet Frobisher and then I'd probably be fine with it :)

[identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The actors playing One, Two and Six also played other parts in the DW universe; I suspect there may be some "regenerating timelords take the appearance of other people" handwave going on.

[identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I would rather see that more radical choice made under the tenure of showrunners who could do something worth having with it; I have zero faith in Moffat doing so, and I hope Capaldi's tenure outlasts his.

[identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd note among good though small parts Peter Capaldi has played is the Vicomte de Valmont's manservant in the Stephen Frears Dangerous Liaisons.

[identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
It's on Netflix now (DVDs, not instant download). I'm going to queue it up for Karen. And as part of my Year of ReBanks. It is actually rather good, both as an adaptation and as TV.

[identity profile] kraada.livejournal.com 2013-08-05 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
If James Marsters had been recast as a different character (and a good guy!) in Angel it would have been equally weird. Or to pick a different fandom, if Joshua Cox or Andrea Thompson had been recast in Crusade, it would've been strange. It'd add a layer of cognitive dissonance that would pull me out of the story. Instead of thinking about what's going on, I'd be reminding myself that the actor is playing someone else now. As I had to repeatedly when Benedict Cumberbatch was fighting Zachary Quinto in the latest Trek movie. (That's also not meant to knock Cumberbatch or Quinto particularly, though Cumberbatch seemed almost typecast, which makes the distinction harder.)

It's easier to set up the divide between actor and role when it's in totally separate universes. Patrick Stewart will always be Captain Picard . . . but also Professor Xavier. However, I can't imagine anyone ever taking seriously a Trek movie (or new show) recasting Stewart in some other role in the Trek universe. It would just be wrong.

I admit I have not seen Capaldi in anything else; it is possible if I had I would not have this concern in his particular case, and certainly Capaldi's role in Children of Earth was not Picard-level important. But it was important enough that the face could immediately be called to name, and role was memorable. So it's enough to give me pause at least -- I'd much rather have had an actor who I'd never heard of so that there'd be this totally new Doctor to get used to.

I'm just worried that seeing him as Frobisher is going to take away the emotional punch of the first few episodes. And if that happened, it would be a shame.

(Though no matter what, obviously, I'll just have to get used to him one way or another, and in a few years it'll be someone else. Probably Cumberbatch the way he's ending up in everything.)