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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2010-04-12 10:33 am

I say this is beautiful, I think you are strange

I really hope someone has written some good papers on the theme of outsiderness in Middle-Earth. For all his meticulous classification of Stoors and Fallohides and Vanyar and Teleri and cetrer, more often than not Tolkien's protagonists are outliers in their own cultures. "Still it is probable that Bilbo . . . although he looked and behaved exactly like a second edition of his solid and comfortable father, got something a bit queer in his make-up from the Took side, something that only waited for a chance to come out"—which is the entire emotional arc of The Hobbit, as Bilbo realizes this unsuspected flair for riddles and adventures and all sorts of heroic, disreputable πολυτροπία (The Annotated Hobbit: look at these Norse and Germanic inspirations! My brain: look at these Odyssean motifs! I fail critical study forever) that will characterize him for the rest of his days.1 Frodo never even passes for ordinary; upon coming of age, "he at once began to carry on Bilbo's reputation for oddity," studying maps and visiting Elves and dreaming of far-off mountains, "and to the amazement of sensible folk he was sometimes seen far from home walking in the hills and woods under the starlight." A king's niece of Rohan, Éowyn would die in battle before she would consent "to stay behind bars, until use or old age accept them, and all chance of doing great deeds is gone beyond recall or desire"; so it is appropriate that the man she marries is "gentle in bearing . . . a lover of lore and of music" whose heart is not in warfare, the reluctant Captain of Gondor, Faramir. Arwen relinquishes not only immortality, but all her kindred and their world in choosing Aragorn over Valinor.2 And Sam, the steadfast gardener? "Crazy about stories of the old days he is"—and a storyteller himself: "I wonder what sort of a tale we've fallen into?" There's not a farmboy with a destiny in the lot. The vaguely closest we get is Aragorn, as Elrond's fosterling and Isildur's heir, but he's frankly too complex for a die-stamped Campbellian archetype. And somehow out of this model we get David Eddings' Belgariad and Terry Brooks' The Sword of Shannara, whose character development I can barely contemplate without bleeding from the ears? It's very strange. Tolkien's imitators seem to have taken his maps, but very little of his atmosphere.

1. And beyond, immortalized by his eccentricity and his disappearance as "a fireside-story for young hobbits . . . Mad Baggins, who used to vanish with a bang and a flash and reappear with bags of jewels and gold."

2. And not even their spirits will meet in the afterlife, something that did not quite register the first time I read the books: "None saw her last meeting with Elrond her father, for they went up into the hills and there spoke long together, and bitter was their parting that should endure beyond the ends of the world." There is familial precedent in the choices of Lúthien and Elros, but that does not make Arwen's decision any less grave.

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
whose character development I can barely contemplate without bleeding from the ears LOL yes (well, I only ever tried Sword of Shannara, but had to stop for fear of needing a transfusion).

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Blood is a very sensible reaction to Brooks and Eddings, though the latter did get his own cut-rate version to some sort of achievement on the third try. (Then again, I read The Diamond Throne just after finishing King's The Waste Land, and Sparhawk had just enough of Roland Deschain in him to get the benefit of far more charity than it deserved.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
...More often than not Tolkien's protagonists are outliers in their own cultures.

This. This is something on which I need to meditate as I work on Hare Water and the next bits of Autumn War. It's a distinction that I've overlooked, but, now, encountering it, it seems extremely important.

[identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 03:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. Somehow 'outliers' has come to be read as 'low in the hierarchy' (assistant pig-keeper syndrome), rather than 'strange' or 'opaque'.

I'm reminded too of Nathaniel in Lud-in-the-Mist: isn't he somewhat given to un-Luddish flights of morbid fancy, before ever the fairy fruit inveigles its way over the border?

[identity profile] straussmonster.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, the older I get, the less time I have for Tolkien's nostalgia-saturation.

[identity profile] straussmonster.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read that in so long that I might find re-reading worthwhile, but I have no desire to retread the Silmarillion cosmology with its Ages of Decline and Degeneration tropes.

[identity profile] straussmonster.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
The Numenorean lifespan decreases once they change their names to their own language (instead of using Elvish) and they stop being so respectful to the Elves and they start coveting what the Elves have and basically stop knowing their proper place in the cosmos as humans. Because your moral character is totally obvious in your physical composition.

[identity profile] straussmonster.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Which reminds me of this Gene Wolfe essay about Tolkien, which reminds me of the tendencies in Wolfe that I don't care for but can usually deal with as they're cloaked in a heavy level of ambiguity and ambivalence:

There is one very real sense in which the Dark Ages were the brightest of times, and it is this: that they were times of defined and definite duties and freedoms.

Basically: how great the world was when everyone knew their place and what they should be and we wanted to be ruled by "those better than us".

[identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 10:44 am (UTC)(link)
deadpan modern understatement to point up the heroism of its characters and undercut it at the same time: "Victory after all, I suppose! . . . Well, it seems a very gloomy business."

Yes, that's exactly right, I think. Yet these juxtapositions, initially startling, also reveal some continuities. Understatement and resigned heroism are Anglo-Saxon qualities too, which Tolkien allows us to hear and appreciate in Bilbo's apparent superficiality.

[identity profile] ericmvan.livejournal.com 2010-04-14 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
What?

First of all, in reality, there is some correlation between moral character and physical composition; the same genes that yield symmetrical facial features, etc., appear to also be involved in mental health. The entire process by which we select mates for physical attractiveness has an evolutionary rationale: they do (on average) make better mates.

In Tolkien, you see this reality reflected in the ugliness of the orcs. However, among Ainur, Elves, and Men I don't think there's any significant correlation among moral character and physical composition. I mean, I seem to recall something abut the heroes being three and a half feet tall. And Sauron in his guise as Annatar, Lord of Gifts is sexy as hell and is so able to seduce the smiths of Eregion.

The Numenoreans covet eternal life, plain and simple, which is not to my knowledge a generally approved-as-cool motif in mythology. Can't recall too many stories of humans desiring eternal life and getting it and living happily ever after, probably because the actual obtaining of eternal life is impossible and we're all probably better off mental-health-wise if we accept that we'll die at some point. The Numenorean falling-out with the Elves is not a matter of being disrespectful but of being really pissed when they're told they can't live forever. Their lifespan begins to shorten at that point not because their physical composition is linked to their moral character but because it's, you know, ironic.

The banning of the Elvish language by the Numenorean kings (and the taking of royal names in Adunaic) happens 1200 years after the first falling-out with the Elves, so I kind of think it's symptomatic of their fall from grace rather than causative, eh?

Oh, and BTW, all of this happens immediately after the page that says "Here ends The Silmarillion". (Although admittedly it was published in a book with that overall title for convenience's sake.)

There is undoubtedly a loss-of-Golden Age theme in Tolkien which I'd argue is way too complex and nuanced to be described as merely "nostalgia" and in fact works because it reflects universal truths about our relationship with the past (both the cultural and our personal). You have every right, of course, to react badly to that theme. But the text is the text and it certainly doesn't say what you claim it says. I'd in fact be curious as to why you actually didn't like Akallabeth, since I find it hard to believe that you were rooting for the Numenoreans to kick Elvish butt.

[identity profile] straussmonster.livejournal.com 2010-04-14 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
there is some correlation between moral character and physical composition

Sorry, I don't really play the evpsych game here. And yes, I know it's a very common trope that's exaggerated in fantasy novels, but it's one of the more distasteful aspects of them that lingers on and on. "Their lifespan begins to shorten at that point not because their physical composition is linked to their moral character but because it's, you know, ironic." When correlations like that happen in fiction, I tend to regard them as deliberate, thematic, and meaningful, particularly coming from, you know, Tolkien.

I was indeed referring to "The Silmarillion" as the book in toto. I can't say that I really care for the decline-and-fall atmosphere saturating the entire thing--nor do I believe it reflects Universal Truths about the past. I do, as always, reserve the right to be flippant in the journal of a friend.

[identity profile] straussmonster.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
The Urth of the New Gor?

*ducks and runs*