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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2007-07-13 12:26 am

The wolf-pits, the wine harvest, the festival in hell

The first time I heard the story of Beren and Lúthien, I was taking the Green Line to the MFA to look at the cinerary urn of A. Folius Felix and his wife Manilia Optata, and [livejournal.com profile] captainbutler was telling it to me. My efforts to read The Silmarillion kept bouncing off the theogony of the Valar and the sense that I was reading the kind of nineteenth-century translation from the Sindarin that would have lost all the heft and strangeness of the language and retained only the word order; I never made it more than about fifty pages in. But when I went tonight to dinner with [livejournal.com profile] yhlee and other awesome people—these last seven days have almost been better than anything in the previous half-year—I brought with me the same jacketless first-edition hardcover I've been throwing myself at since high school, so I wouldn't have anything else to read on the subway.

Now fair and marvellous was that vessel made, and it was filled with a wavering flame, pure and bright; and Eärendil the Mariner sat at the helm, glistening with dust of elven-gems, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow. Far he journeyed in that ship, even into the starless voids; but most often was he seen at morning or at evening, glimmering in sunrise or sunset, as he came back to Valinor from voyages beyond the confines of the world.

On those journeys Elwing did not go, for she might not endure the cold and the pathless voids, and she loved rather the earth and the sweet winds that blow on sea and hill. Therefore there was built for her a white tower northward upon the borders of the Sundering Sea; and thither at times all the sea-birds of the earth repaired. And it is said that Elwing learned the tongues of birds, who herself had once worn their shape; and they taught her the craft of flight, and her wings were of white and silver-grey. And at times, when Eärendil returning drew near to Arda, she would fly to meet him, even as she had flown long ago, when she was rescued from the sea. Then the far-sighted among the Elves that dwelt in the Lonely Isle would see her like a white bird, shining, rose-stained in the sunset, as she soared in joy to greet the coming of Vingilot to haven.


Maybe I will read The Children of Húrin after all.

[identity profile] ex-greythist387.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
I found "Narn i hin Húrin" best of the stories in Unfinished Tales, and for that reason alone I've eyed Children warily and left it alone.

Anon....

[identity profile] liveavatar.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know that I'll be reading The Children of Húrin any time soon; few tales are sadder, and I'm having enough trouble staying off Prozac as it is.

[identity profile] setsuled.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
I've been wanting to read The Silmarillion for a long time, and The Children of Hurin has been very tempting, especially with the Alan Lee illustrations. Damn my glacial reading pace . . . Those paragraphs you quote are beautiful, and I'd already been in the mood to wallow in Tolkien's prose after that fanfic thing. I need to be rebuilt, I need the technology, I need to read faster, stronger . . .

[identity profile] palecast.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
I love the Silmarilion - better than LoTR I think. It is hard going but also marvellous and miraculous. I like the story of Beren and Luthien and the tale of Turin the best.

[identity profile] carandol.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, you have to get *past* the first 50 pages before the Silmarillion gets good! It's a lovely book to read aloud. And The Children of Hurin is definitely worth reading, though much more dark and tragic than the prose you quote.

[identity profile] clarionj.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
It has been so long since I've read The Simarillion. I loved it then and now you've made me want to go back. I haven't read The Children of Hurinyet and don't even own it yet. I'd like to go back and refresh myself on The Simarillion and Unfinished Tales first. If you do read it, let us know what you think. (Ah, there was a time I could name all the ancestors of Aragorn, all the connections to elves and men, all he was heir to and what ran in his blood. I loved the story behind his ring--oh I forgot to say that my copy of Aragorn's ring is one of the things I'd take with me first when packing those separate, careful boxes for moving. Actually, I keep it in my purse and hold it like a talisman when I need strength.)

[identity profile] yukihada.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I did get through The Silmarillion once when I was in junior high. (There should be a tshirt or button really for completing this book.) I did think it was beautiful and difficult so I put it off to the side & forgot most except for the little bits about Beren & Luthien.

Now I might just have to pick it back up again. Thanks for sharing.

[identity profile] teenybuffalo.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Not sure if you've read all the stories in the Silmarillion yet, so shall avoid spoilers...

Beren and Luthien: "And long ago in the Hidden Kingdom she laid her hand in his." *cries about a pint of tears* I heard that on Tolkien and Mrs. Tolkien's gravestones it says Beren and Luthien. *beams*

Turin Turamabar and his nearest and dearest should just have pulled their socks up and gone on with their lives. My God, he's like someone from a Child Ballad. "But this is a folk song, so it all ends in tears..."--Brian Peters, in a live concert I once attended.

[identity profile] setsuled.livejournal.com 2007-07-13 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
If you take a break from Postcards to read The Silmarillion, I can hardly be offended.

Heh. I wouldn't dream of taking a break from Postcards. I'm in love with that little book. Anyway, it'd be more like I was taking a break from Catch-22--I consider books of poetry and comic books separate entities from novels. It's one of the ways I cope with my slow reading. I read a bit from a novel, and then read one or maybe two poems a night. I like to let single poems sit with me as I fall asleep.

[identity profile] carandol.livejournal.com 2007-07-14 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
Here's a bit from The Children of Hurin that declaims well...

"You say it," said Morgoth. "I am the Elder King: Melkor, first and mightiest of all the Valar, who was before the world, and made it. The shadow of my purpose lies upon Arda, and all that is in it bends slowly to my will. But upon all whom you love my thought shall weigh as a cloud of Doom, and it shall bring them down into darkness and despair. Wherever they go, evil shall arise. Whenever they speak, their words shall bring ill counsel. Whatsoever they do shall turn against them. They shall die without hope, cursing both life and death."

But Hurin answered: "Do you forget to whom you speak? Such things you spoke long ago to our fathers; but we escaped from your shadow. And now we have knowledge of you, for we have looked on the faces that have seen the Light, and heard the voices that have spoken with Manwe. Before Arda you were, but others also; and you did not make it. Neither are you the most mighty; for you have spent your strength upon yourself and wasted it in your own emptiness. No more are you now than an escaped thrall of the Valar, and their chain still awaits you."

"You have learned the lessons of your masters by rote," said Morgoth. "But such childish lore will not help you, now they are all fled away."

"This then will I say to you, thrall Morgoth," said Hurin, "and it comes not from the lore of the Eldar, but is put into my heart in this hour. You are not the Lord of Men, and shall not be, though all Arda and Menel fall in your dominion. Beyond the Circles of the World you shall not pursue those who refuse you."

"Beyond the Circles of the World I will not pursue them," said Morgoth. "For beyond the Circles of the World there is Nothing. But within them, they shall not escape me, until they enter into Nothing."

"You lie," said Hurin.

"You shall see, and you shall confess that I do not lie," said Morgoth. And taking Hurin back to Angband he set him in a chair of stone in a high place in Thangorodrim, from which he could see afar the land of Hithlum in the west and the lands of Beleriand in the south. There he was bound by the power of Morgoth; and Morgoth standing beside him cursed him again and set his power upon him, so that he could not move from that place, nor die, until Morgoth should release him.

"Sit now there," said Morgoth, "and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come upon those whom you have delivered to me. For you have dared to mock me, and have questioned the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes you shall see, and with my ears you shall hear, and nothing shall be hidden from you."

[identity profile] ex-greythist387.livejournal.com 2007-07-14 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
I hope that is true.

Yes (http://users.ox.ac.uk/~tolksoc/TolkiensOxford/grave.html), it is (http://www.tolkiensociety.org/tolkien/biography.html#7).
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[personal profile] zdenka 2007-07-14 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I would say that Túrin is Tolkien's Siegfried -- the one who runs wild like a wolf in the forest; when he strikes, his blade wounds his friend; when he marries, he makes her life wretched; and all he does goes awry. That family has near-Atreid levels of doom. In spite of or because of that, it's a really cool story.

Also, if you have not read the Lay of Leithian (Tolkien's version of the Beren & Luthien story in poetry), I recommend it. It's in The Lays of Beleriand, which I can lend you if need be.

Thy dearest treasure I desire;
nor rocks nor steel nor Morgoth's fire
nor all the power of Elfinesse
shall keep that gem I would possess.
For fairer than are born to men
A daughter hast thou, Luthien.
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[personal profile] zdenka 2007-07-14 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Is that the Ring of Barahir? (I think that's right.)If so, it had quite a history before it got to Aragorn. :-)
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[personal profile] zdenka 2007-07-15 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh. I see Tolkien fans.

Shameless plug: The Lord of the Rings Fanatics Plaza I've belonged to Minas Tirith for about five months now, and I love it dearly.

[identity profile] clarionj.livejournal.com 2007-07-15 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, it's the Ring of Barahir. And yes, I love the history behind it--it has been awhile since I researched it, but I remember liking the Felegund legend.

[identity profile] clarionj.livejournal.com 2007-07-15 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the link--I'd love to check this out. And then I'll have to keep myself from spending too much time there!
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[personal profile] zdenka 2007-07-15 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too.
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[personal profile] zdenka 2007-07-15 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Cool! You are likely to find me in the Minas Tirith Library . . .

[identity profile] clarionj.livejournal.com 2007-07-16 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha, when I saw the Minas Tirith library re-created in the movie, I knew, without a doubt, that was where I wanted to be.