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sovay ([personal profile] sovay) wrote2021-05-15 05:38 pm

The law is not the same as justice

I just checked very fast out of my other social media because it is (not) astonishing how many people cannot criticize Israel without stampeding straight for the anti-Semitism, but what the hell is the U.S. doing blocking council statements and sessions in the UN? The previous administration were a bunch of Evangelical Christian Zionists who would have been glad to see molten glass from the river to the sea if it sped up their Rapture timetable, but I expected less Armageddon from the people I voted for. Unless there is some back-channel diplomacy at work with an actual chance of succeeding if given the extra time, I don't get it. I hope there is something obvious I am missing.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2021-05-15 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. That tumblr post is a series of remarkably low bars! And yet.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2021-05-16 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so sorry.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2021-05-16 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
What a perspicacious cat!
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2021-05-16 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
*cringes all over* I am so, so sorry.
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[personal profile] gwynnega 2021-05-16 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
I don't get it either.
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[personal profile] dewline 2021-05-16 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
As far as I'm concerned, both Israel and Palestine deserve better than they're getting right now. Tragic, horrific and anger-inducing situation.
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2021-05-16 09:38 am (UTC)(link)
It says something that a friend posted an article he'd come across the other day which explained how to criticise Israel without being an anti semite...............

I don't think Andrew will mind my sharing this:

https://andrewducker.tumblr.com/post/651146525666312192/how-to-criticize-israel-without-being-anti-semitic
Edited 2021-05-16 12:16 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sholio 2021-05-16 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
*hugs* The way the left deals with this kind of thing is, in its own way, no better than the right. I have been sitting on a variety of posts over the last few days and rotating between being angry at a wide variety of people on the international stage who should know better, and feeling afraid and worried for Jewish friends who are caught up in the middle of something no one asked for.

You'd think that Americans of all people would understand what it's like to be unfairly blamed for things that are being done by SOME OTHER VOTER'S FUCKING GOVERNMENT. But no.
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[personal profile] dewline 2021-05-16 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
And the AP and al-Jazeera were not alone. The Committee to Protect Journalists published a more detailed list:

https://cpj.org/2021/05/israeli-air-strikes-destroy-buildings-housing-more-than-a-dozen-media-outlets-in-gaza/
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[personal profile] dewline 2021-05-16 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The one thing I'm certain of is that Rabin was assassinated to make room for someone who thinks as Netanyahu does. And that thought disgusts me.
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[personal profile] vass 2021-05-16 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*nodnodnod*
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[personal profile] dewline 2021-05-17 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
No conspiracy or grassy knoll needed here. Rabin's killer never hid their sympathies and antipathies, after all.
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[personal profile] dewline 2021-05-17 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
Your vexation about this whole mess is seen and understood.
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[personal profile] sholio 2021-05-17 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
And if it weren't Israel, I truly believe it would be something else. Conspiracy theories are shape-shifters. All that matters is that you don't have to change who you hate.)

Yeah. :((( I think you're right about that, and I hate that it just won't stop and I'm sorry.
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2021-05-17 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
I have a friend on here who is Israeli and some of the comments that get made make me cringe. Nothing deliberate, but SO careless and unthinking.
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[personal profile] reconditarmonia 2021-05-20 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I saw a really good thread on Twitter the other day, the gist being that American gentiles are under the mistaken impression that they have great sympathy for Jews, and feel that they're facing up to hard truths that make them uncomfortable by following the (in actuality well-greased) path towards viewing Jews as murderers of children and controllers of governments. https://twitter.com/loudpenitent/status/1393315662181715968

I've been thinking, but still figuring out how to articulate, how clear it is that so many of these people have no experience of being expected to have an opinion on this conflict since before they can remember. (Which is, I think, different from the experience of Jews who talk about learning a sanitized narrative.) There is a degree of convert zeal and bandwagoning, and while it's good that more people are aware of the problems and care about them, they also don't understand (charitably) or care (realistically) that for Jews, this isn't a trendy cause that we can dip our toes in or back out of whenever, and that "numb yourselves to eliminationist rhetoric and violence to prove your fidelity to the cause" is not a reasonable ask.
Edited (clarity) 2021-05-20 20:01 (UTC)
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[personal profile] reconditarmonia 2021-05-20 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Any expression of awareness of Israel/Palestine is itself instantly scrutinized for ulterior motives, but any silence is taken automatically as full endorsement of Israel; either way it's open season and good faith does not enter into it.

Also, concern about antisemitic rhetoric and violence is both-sidesism and derailing! Fun!